What Will You Do When The System Collapses?

the bad guys will always have guns... regardless of laws... so I might as well have one too. Better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have one...

 

guns never solve a problem,,but with good aim they can indeed eliminate one..

as far as SE comment about feeding the "hungry and tired" when the shit hits the fan after all the warning signs we have had ill be damned if im giving out my hard earned food to a buncha fucktards who were either to lazy or complacent or both to prepare to take care of themselves..

its been my experience that anyone who is going to be unprepared and hungry when the shit hits the fan is probably more than likely a "useless eater"(to lazy to contribute to the ongoing work involved to be self sufficient),therefore if they have nothing to contribute they are by definition a burden to those who have spent the last few months or in our case years,preparing for whats to come..

ive spent years and years feeding the people to lazy to provide for themselves. when the crash comes,they are on there own...

there is a select few we would allow to come here after the SHTF,those few have already proven themselves to be a asset in times of hardships. also,we are currently taking applications from folks thinking of here as a place to ride it out as well..
even with these folks,theres a ongoing dialog before they even come visit to see if its right for everyone involved.we are trying to make sure we can all benefit from each other,that we all have something to offer each other when it comes to survival and self sufficiency..

having lived this way all my life and having opened our doors to any and all for the better part of 20 years,i see no way it would be practical to take in the masses in such a situation.

the best chance of survival is with a core group of like minded people IMO.

but to each there own.

that being said,

IMO we are less than a year away from the global crash,id suggest anyone thats unprepared do so ASAP..

 

Soaringeagle I admire your brotherly love, feed each other, throw away the guns sentiment, but in a collapsed society SHTF situation it ain't gonna be a bunch of peace loving brothers and sisters coming your way to help sow the seeds that feed us all, particularly if you got a bunch of seeds, food or other supplies stashed. It's likely to be a bunch assholes ready to take what you have, who wouldn't think twice about leaving you and yours with nothing or dead.

So, say society collapses and you are a fucktard who's looking to survive by taking whatever you can, who you gonna hit first? The home with food-not-bombs bumper sticker on the VW, or are you going to cut the lock on the gate with the "protected by Smith and Wesson" sign right next to it?

Hey I'm all about peace, love, food not bombs, helping out my brothers and sisters and all that, but being armed and having that evident may just be what keeps theives away.

 

weve discussed the possibility of armed gangs coming through and we figure knowing our neighbors as we do,knowing who controls the high ground leading in from the main road etc. we stand a good chance of holding our ground.. (one neighbor about a mile from here actually has a cannon,several of my closest neighbors have automatic weapons. )
that is one advantage of being surrounded by right wing wackos,they gotta get through them before they get to us lol.....

 

Ain't that the truth.

Maybe if you can hide what you've got long enough, the right wing wackos will kill each other off, but I agree you need some form of protection.

I'm not sure how you define "collapse", but I think what we've been seeing lately in the decline of the dollar, etc., might be a good thing. At least now we'll get it over with (I mean it's not like we didn't see it coming, right?), and maybe it'll establish a new order. Foreigners won't want our devalued money, so our companies won't be able to hire them. We won't be importing as much stuff from China, 'cause they won't want our money either, so we'll have to start making it ourselves again. Most everything will be produced locally 'cause it'll be too expensive or difficult to transport it.

Those rich suits that have been selling us out all along will be hit the hardest, with their wealth tied up in worthless investments, humvees in the driveway they can't drive 'cause there's no gas, mansions they can't heat, plasma TVs they can't watch 'cause there's no electricity.

Those who are used to living with less will be less effected. Farmers will be the best off. Someone could come along and steal your food, but if they don't know how to produce it themselves, or they don't have friends who do, they won't last long.

Imagine that, the folks that do most of the work for society may finally get some respect for a change.

 

oh its gonna be a new order alright,.. if folks dont wake up it will quickly become a NEW WORLD ORDER.

if the idea of rfid chips,retnal scans,surveilance cameras everywhere you go,all your communications being monitered etc sounds like a good thing to you,then i got good news for ya its halfway there,..

you remember what a good thing it is when were all denied the rest of the god given rights we have left.

when the dollar crashes,and it will, they are going to take what little freedoms we have left if we as americans allow them to.
this is not happenstance folks.. this is a calculated crash of the economy to install the amero as the new currency for the soon to be formed north american union..

theres going to be some HUGE decisions we as americans are going to have to make and soon.folks better be wising up to the fact that those in charge are seeing to it that this WILL take place.

these people dont care about we commoners,what was it cheney said about 2/3 of the american people opposing the war ,,"SO".dont you people see they control this situation completly,and there doing it for THERE BENEFIT,not ours.if they are allowed to succeed in there plans our lives will never be the same again..

before ya start saying im a conspiracy nut,

do you not find it the least bit interesting that bernanke is known as the foremost authoritarian on the great depression?

better get ready folks,,its coming..

 

the truly wealthy will become more wealthy and wont suffer at all. others will become super wealthy for there dirty deeds they did for there masters.
its only the up and comings and of those only the ones they deem expendable who will lose everything.

you have to remember the goal is to instill a cast society globally therefore they must wipe out the middle class..

 

ill go on the mountain and live hapily ever after

 

So the mainstream deserves to die? I am the mainstream. I was born into it, it's all I know. I don't know shit about surviving something like this, but I sure as hell deserve to live. Don't damn us to our deaths just because you think your life is worth more than ours. I happen to think mine's worth a shitload.

 

Would leaving the country be a good idea? I don't know what I'll do if this happens, I can barely take care of myself right now as it is. I don't know how to shoot a gun, or distinguish between poisonous and non-poisonous wild-growing things. I'd sure feel like a hell of a coward if I end up dependent on my parents when this happens, and who knows if they'll be able to manage either? My dad is sure to lose the house, so we'd be homeless.

 

NO leaving the country more than likely would be WORSE for you than riding it out here..

when everything crashes the world is not going to be happy with america. we all know we are the worlds scape goats,when this go's down in the worlds eyes we will all be to blame,,as usual.

i believe skip even stated he came back to the united states for this very reason...

 

Well, shit.

 

In 1990 I buried a cosmolined 22 rifle and 500 rounds of ammo in capped PVC pipe in the boonies for such an eventuality. I have lived on squirrels, rabbits and various types of vegetation in the past for extended periods of time. I know how to make mouse jerky. I've done what I can and am moving onward.

The thing is that while those eventualities have been predicted since history has been recorded, the predictions have never really met expectations. Sure...the Great Depression was pretty tough, but nowhere near a total collapse. If the USA goes...so goes the rest of the world. Where are China and the other countries going to dump their crap? China's entire economy is built around US consumers. Do you think France is importing ton after ton after ton of junk from China? Look what happened to worldwide markets when the Dow tanked a couple of weeks ago. What happens to the economies of the rest of the world? They follow suit. Even if other peoples of this world would reap great joy in seeing this country fail...they don't want it bad enough to have their own country's economy collapse as well. There will be a concerted world effort to keep things in the USA from collapsing totally.

Panic is a killer. Bear Stearns was financially solvent until The Wall Street Journal published that there were large funds being withdrawn. Panic ensued and all the "Nervous Nellies" followed suit and killed the company. Unfortunately lemmings control the economic fate of this country. That's the Free Market system.

Gloom and Doomers have been in biz for a long time. Am I saying that it'll never happen? Nope. I'm just saying that you do what you can and screw the rest of the hype. To worry about something that you have no control over is not only a waste of time...but it's detrimental to your health...both physical and mental health.

We're having a tough time and just need to ride out the storm.

 

you're whining about how you don't know how to survive on your own (basic survival instincts drained away by TV). You want to be worth something? Open your mind and learn something... basic survival skills should be elementry, yet these days we live in such cushy comfort and security, we quite frankly don't know how to take care of ourselves. Who wants a bunch of dependent dumbasses around?
Stop whining and LEARN

 

First of all, when it happens, don’t PANIC! Here’s a fact of life, Fear will almost always make you do the wrong thing! Stop, take a deep breath and look around. If you are near home, grab a knife, a sleeping bag and a backpack and for the most part try to stay away from people as you move toward less populated areas. If there’s a mob of people, what ever they are doing do the opposite, get away from them. If you see someone or a small group of people acting calmly and purposefully, calmly ask if you can join them. Remember, most plants are not poisonous and very small quantities are not usually deadly but will quickly let you know if you can eat more. Don’t be squeamish, I read of a man who died of thirst sitting next to a pond because the pond had an algae scum on its surface.

Just some thoughts,
OWB

 

I was not whining, I was asking for advice. I am aware of my shortcomings, I didn't say I was crippled by them. And I'm certainly not a dependent dumb ass, so I'd appreciate it if you kept your snotty comments to yourself.

 

I might lose my houses. Hopefully I can hang on to at least one. (I own some rental properties.) At the very least, I own 3 acres free and clear inside one of those "gated communities" with 10,000 sq ft houses... up on a ridge that is easy to defend. Composting and conditioning soil for a viable garden is looking like a critical preparation step for the inevitable. Hoepfully, I am not too late.

Leaving the country is probably not a good idea. The industrialized nations will all have economic collapses when the dollar collapses. The non-industrialized nations will probably resent the American... America has been living an unsustainable, falsely high standard of living for generations by using half of the world's resources for only a tiny fraction of the world's population. When we use it, it is not available to others who don't have the natural resources or the productivity capabilities to compete to acquire it. We have driven the cost of energy and luxuries so high, that undeveloped nations can only look at our lives in questioning wonder. When our unsustainable economy collapses, who is going to want to take us in???

You are more likely to survive among those going through the same change.

 

Therese,

I just made several visits to a Rainbow gathering here in ALabama. I spent my time hanging out at one of the well run kitchens pitching in and helping out. I made firewood runs. I made mental notes of how they built their exceptionally functional oven in the side of the hill. I volunteered to do dishes, my own and those of others. In the process I learned their sanitation strategies that have proven so effective over years of gatherings. The latrine strategies are also critical.

Get a Rainbow Guide. Look at the strategies for surviving in the woods. Add to the Rainbow knowledge some basic understanding of growing your own food. (Scrounging for supplies and relying upon Government food vouchers is probably not going to be viable after the economic collapse.) Have some bulk food storage to help you survive until the first harvest after the economic collapse. Have enough extra food storage that you can barter with others for labor and supplies.

Join with people that are charitable, loving, and caring. I'll share with anyone that wants to contribute to the sustainability of a new social fabric. Ask and ye shall receive to the limits of my ability. But if someone wants to take without giving and leave the rest of us for dead, I'll defend our supplies, even to the point of shooting someone between their eyes. In such a case, you're either with us or your against us.

You are aware of your short-comings. You realize the risk such short-comings pose. Now do something about it. Take the time to learn and to prepare.

regards,
"Rant"

 

Peace people :I have thought about this and prayed, and I have a skill. that does have value in this world we live in. Do not just sit there and worry, you must network with people who also have a skill, then bartering is the economy, go communal with the people next door, learn a skill ,because if and when the nation around us goes bankrupt we still have each other, get seeds to plant for food, stock up on food, heck get a coop of community
and stock up on fuel or food, and , medical supplies, drinking water, get a red cross water filter that they use in the jungle, it takes muddy or river water and makes it drinkable. I will write more when I get up from my nap. live in peace now for peace later.

 

i will dance i will be happy if the system shuts down they can arrest me as many times as they like but that wont change a thing i am a child of the light and they are mere creatures that fester in darkness i want to be known for standing up for my beliefs not cowering down and going along with the current state of afairs so yes i will dance until my feet bleed