Whats the big deal of dope?

Isn't it great how you can tell whether or not someone has been to treatment by the stuff they type? I have also been in and out of treatment and I totally agree with everything Dilly has said in the post I quoted and then the last post she made. My counselor at the first rehab I went to told me something along the lines of "If willpower existed in those who use drugs then there would not be a need for treatment centers" and I totally agree with that as well. You can take "Mr. America" and see how much willpower he has once you get him addicted to running heroin, ha. I heard an old-timer at an NA meeting say, "If you think willpower exists then go take a couple Ex-Lax and see if you can keep from shitting up a storm." It does not matter who you are, what you do, or where you came from because addiction, especially opiate addiction, does not discriminate. Also, as Dilly mentioned, there is not way to control opiate addiction. Now, don't start jumping all over me because of that statement. What I meant is this, if you are addicted (physically or mentally) then it is going to take medical help (more than likely) and other people (NA would say a higher power) for you to kick the habit and even if you do stay clean or use in moderation for a little while, chances are you will end up right back in the same boat. Now, if you take the pills occasionally and have no addiction (physical or mental) then yeah, willpower might exist, but still, it is risky. I, like many of you, have seen heroin and other opiates turn some of the best people I knew into monster junkies who would rob their own mother's grave to get high. Sorry that this is such a long post but I am still reeling from my morning's dose and felt like typing but for now I will shut my fucking mouth. And one more thing, I am not trying to preach either. I just thought it might help to share what I have experienced from opiate addiction. Later, alligators.



-NICU

 

i agree with you man i expected H to be like 10X better than any other opiate than id ever done. so when i did 2 bags and didnt get knocked off my feet it was pretty disappointing. I think the reputation of H to kick your ass is more relative to IV, its a whole different ball game really. for me anyway H is a more subtle high than oxy (what i usually do). its like it creeps up slowly, definitely more relaxing than oxy, less in your face too. the couple times i did it i noticed that i would just zone out alot. i never got that from oxy.

i was let down at first but i started taking the experience objectively, rather than comparing it with the hype. i soon came to really appreciate it. just hangin out with my best friend playing resident evil on a couple bags, REALLY relaxing, take a couple shots, do whatever.

when comparing the two (oxy and H), i wouldn't say that one is better than the other, they're just different. H i like because you get more of the relaxing blissful apathy feeling. oxy i like because it gives me a real uppity rush and makes me feel really sociable.


anyway back to the OP. if you dont absolutely love it i wouldnt recomend doing it anymore. i cant really answer how soon you would get addicted, there are alot of different factors, both with you and the H. for example: purity of said H, how much you do at a time, how often you dose, also your personal brain chemistry and whether or not you have an addictive personality.

also opiate addiction is tricky, it sneaks up on you. you wont know its coming until its too late. honestly if you have to ask those questions than you shouldn't be doing it. if you have issues with needing to control your use than heroin is definitely not for you.

 

i think the OP is full of shit, he somehow has a free supply of H, and if someone who was not opiate tolerant (and drunk) ingested 2 bags of H they would be close to overdose.

 

shitty, if not fake H if you ask me. a dub to the face, with no tolerance, of decent shit, should have you unconscious on your couch.

 

^ What Kil0 said

 

haha eagles, and not to mention extremely close to death because of suffocation or overdose.

 

i know man u had to haver some shitty dope, u should of been dead man alcohol and 2 bags for a first time??

ur story dosent check out ah well......

 

yea its not ringing true to me

 

I normally do oxy, dillys, hydromorph contins, or any other pharm opiate. one time i couldnt get my hands on any of those, and i got some h.. i noticed, that i could feel the "dirtiness" of the h high... as it was hitting me i was very anxious and all throughout the 5 bags i bought i felt very nauseous. whenever im on any other opiate, thats a pharm, i never feel these feelings, only an amazing... i cant even put it into words. oxy isnt just a drug, its a way of life....

 

Getting drunk and snorting a dub of H flippantly without knowing anything about it does not bode well for your future, my 2 cents

 

Heh, awesome sig.

I think blitz commented on how subtle the effects are, and it is totally true. Truly an acquired taste. Watch the progression, shit is madly slippery.

 

i have to agree and say that if you don't really like the effects, why bother? that's pretty much the case for me. not H, b/c i haven't really been around it, but opiates in general (pharms) and coke too i guess...i've tried them a few times and seen friends that are pretty addicted (just to snorting) and just decided that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. most of the times i did coke, it probably wasn't that good, but i know that it was good one time...but still, it wasn't THAT great of a high. i'd much rather trip for a night, or even just smoke some weed or drink some beer.
opiates too... i've taken hydrocodone a decent amount of times, and it never gets me that high (probably only up to like 20 mg though). i've had like 10 mg oxy snorted, and it was fun, but just not that awesome. not worth risking that kind of addiction. hydromorphone got me fucked up (nodding maybe. the only time or the closest i've got) and that was pretty cool but i just don't wanna end up getting addicted to those, so i don't really seek them out.

i'm just talking to the OP mainly. not to preach to anyone. and everyone else was making long posts too

 

chances are it was shitty H. my first few bags of H that i got were pretty bunk too... you needed at least 2 bags to be feeling warm. i stopped looking for it for awhile, but then i got back in touch with an old friend who just happened to do it as well. her dealer has some awesome shit though... a half of one bag will put you on the nod if you don't have tolerance (like me). the first time i did it from the new dealer i made the mistake of doing the whole bag at once because i figured it wouldn't be much better than the other stuff. i ended up projectile vomitting 8 times that night, but either way i was feeling awesome.

if you're going to try it again, wait until it finds to you. and also i'd advise doing half the bag first, waiting to see how strong it is, then do the other half if you need to.

 

As I said, the OP sounds like it was either dope that was cut to shreds and therefore had very little real h left in it, or else the author was playing, because really, two bags your first time and no effect, especially with alcohol, rings false. But as I also said, if someone is genuine and asking a legitimate question, I don't want to run them off with my snotty attitude.

Where's U4ia when I need him?

 

i know wheres he been

 

Dunno. I haven't been on AIM in a couple of weeks. I'll try to scare him up tonight.

 

DOES2!!! Whats up man, where ya been? How ya doin?

 

You got shitty dope, AND you sniffed it. Bad combo.
Sniffing dope is such a waste.