What's The Deal With Education?

Yeah a sharp mind, a search engine, knowledge of logical fallacies, and the socratic method are all you need.

 

What's the deal with ovaltine?
The tin is round. The cup is round. They should call it.. Roundtine.

That's gold Jerry, gold!

 

Indie

Yes but back in the 1950’s taxes were much higher and anyway your family was reasonably well off.

 

Ace

Can you back this up, I mean what are you basing this viewpoint on?

In what way did you ascertain their credibility?

What is ‘intellectual laziness’?

 

It's when people who know better choose the easiest path anyway. Or when they don't even bother checking facts before making assumptions.

For example, a bunch of people see a black guy running....
Cop: "He must have done something illegal, get the guns"
Scout: "I wonder if anyone has signed him yet"
Teacher: "He should have gotten up earlier"
Shoe Salesman: "Are those Jordans"

It also occurs when someone has the answer to a problem, but withholds it from the group so they won't have to get involved.

 

Your refusal to acknowledge or investigate various false flags that have happened throughout history is intellectual laziness.

Leaning on terms like "conspiracy theorist", which is propogated by the government is intellectual laziness.

Relying on anecdotal examples instead of statistical analysis is intellectual laziness.

 

Found a great video on "The Prussian Education System"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZp7eVJNJuw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo&feature=youtu.be

 

[SIZE=11pt]Nerd[/SIZE]

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LOL sorry it’s not possible to have a serious discussion about politics with a conspiracy theorists because it is like trying to have an historical debate with someone that passionately believe that Gandalf the Grey, Conon the Barbarian, and Xena: Warrior Princess are real historical figures – it can be superficially amusing but is completely pointless.

[SIZE=11pt]It’s not ‘intellectual laziness’ - I’ve been there and done that and even have the t-shirt - it’s just that I learnt from the experience that life is too short to be stuck in a conversation with fantasists. [/SIZE]

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Is this about your racist belief that black people are inferior human beings compared to the whiter sort?

 

Balbus lol

Don't be a sheep.

Bahahahahahahalbus. Don't go with the mindless herd Bahahahahalbus.

The Prussian Education System has worked wonders on you. The obedience is strong with this one.

 

Nerd

And your replies speaks volumes about the benefits of your own educational model.

I mean your views don’t seem to be standing up very well since you seem to run away from criticism or fall back on conspiracy theory.

 

High School diploma..... 9% in 1910, 40% in 1935. Citing a high school diploma as a certification of proficiency is rather short cited. What do you think about the falling standards? They're probably even worse at University now, but high schools are awful as well. Do you realize how incompetent your average high school graduate or even college diploma holder is? Do you really think it's a coincidence that No Child Left Behind and Common Core are horrendous failures? Do you think the next set of universalized standards will magically fix all the broken kids? The next solution from the corporate left will be different yeah?

Do any of you deny that obedience is the number priority for schools to instill? Soldiers have been thinking too much for themselves. We really need to set up an 8 or 12 year program where they learn to always do what the authorities say. "I pledge allegiane to the flag, of the Corporate States of America. I will dive headfirst into whatever meatgrinder the officers send me into, without questioning the morality of our nation's motives. I have been conditioned to accept these truths, and am happy to fight in Korea and Vietnam and Iraq and Iran. The leaders know best, for liberty and justice for all."

 

So true. still waiting for Nerd to answer the questions that I and others raised in what I believe was his first post about that lame map.

 

My evidence isn't perfect. No evidence is. Would you be so kind as to post any counter-evidence?

Treat debates like a civil trial. The weight of the evidence wins. So far you have not added any weight at all to your side of the scale. I'm not saying you're an intellectual lightweight, I'm just asking for you to present any amount of evidence.

 

I'd say they should at least call it Binygvar! or something ... but that's still not good enough

 

Up to a point as part of my studies of sociology. Spent a lot of time on critical theories. I think the system has undergone considerable dumbing down since I was a student, but if you selected the right courses such as sociology or philosophy you would learn some critical thinking skills.

 

The video isn't bashing the concept of a public school system as much as the OP would like.
It's talking about a need for change within that system.

To me, it makes more sense to scrap standardized testing (which was introduced by the notorious left winger George W Bush) and reform the entire education system to be more socialist. In fact, in certain teacher's colleges they are preaching the wonders of Lev Vygotsky, who revamped the entire Soviet education system and paved the way for its transformation from poor agrarian society to world superpower by focusing on social learning. Social learning theory emphasizes groups and relationships with peers, and is a move away from the lecture type of education that always produces rigid, suffocating learning environments.

The problem isn't the phenomenon of public education, it's that it's being designed by capitalists who need drones who shut up and do what they say, because those are the type of people who help to maintain the status quo that gives them their power.

I definitely wouldn't trust youtube to teach my kids about the world... there is a lot of propaganda and ridiculous conspiracy BS on there and no way to filter it out or discern one thing from another.

The best way to adapt to the current job market is a strong welfare system and free higher education. It is absolutely insane to expect kids to shell out thousands or tens of thousands of dollars that they don't have to buy qualifications for jobs that they might not even get, and then blame them for being poor and not 'pulling themselves up by their bootstraps' when student loan debt and joblessness ruin their lives. If they didn't have to have so many anxieties about their basic survival and knew that they could always afford the education they need to find work, there would be more room for experimentation, more room for innovation and overall we would be living in a much better society.

Sooner or later we're going to have to face the fact that there are no longer ANY truly secure fields of employment, and society needs to be more about PEOPLE than profit, and that working simply for the sake of working makes absolutely no rational sense.

 

This is an argument for universal income, which will be necessary as every menial labor job becomes automated. Robots will cost 1/100th of the price you'll pay for people soon enough. The companies that don't automatize will die.

I don't have a big problem with this in theory, but in practice I foresee less and less freedom for people. As people become dependent on the state, the state tends to exploit the people more and more. We've seen it again and agian. The state is under the control of the capatalists and always has been.

 

It's not even just automatization-- by 2040, AI will be better equipped to manage businesses than human managers, and that includes CEOs. Machines will be able to poll people (or just use Google searches), identify their needs, and then invent, mass market and/or distribute products as needed. Once they master the art of advertising and probably subtle forms of mind control, they can create as many wants as they can in order to make money.

But no one is going to buy their products if nobody has any money, so basic income is inevitable. But what definitely needs to go is the capitalist free market mindset. It is so painfully and absurdly obsolete that clinging to it is doing real harm to society. We need to admit to ourselves that businesses are about making money, not creating jobs and realize that society is perfectly capable of functioning without the need to make ourselves more affordable than machines or Chinese slaves or invent new crap for each other to consume that doesn't add any benefit to our lives whatsoever.

Government doesn't NEED to be evil... the problem is we've had this whole neoconservative thing since the 80s that has completely f--ked everything up. Education doesn't NEED to be about trying to get a job that will help you to survive... it can also be about personal development, spiritual development, creativity, culture, art, etc. All of these things have been actively de-emphasized by late stage capitalism to the point where most people are cynically making their way through an education system they don't believe in so they can get a job they hate so they don't end up like someone less fortunate. There are people who still enjoy their jobs, of course...

But yes, I think the entire culture needs a sea change. As long as people are being trained to think that economic success is of the utmost importance, we're always going to have despair and hopelessness.