What's with all the hatred?

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by WoodstockChild, May 14, 2006.

  1. TommyT

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    Just because they don't go into all the details of their reasons doesn't mean they don't have valid ones, like I said, not all people are able to explain themselves effectively.
     
  2. TommyT

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    Lack of articulacy doesn't mean they lack backing.
     
  3. _chris_

    _chris_ Marxist

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    With every right there is a responsibility. they go hand in hand.


    jeez, do you people just not get that?
     
  4. TommyT

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    The right to voice an opinion goes hand in hand with!..
    The responsibility to listen to other peoples opinions.
     
  5. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    well, all opinions are like buttholes. We all have 'em and they all stink!
    Seriously, you didn't hide in the crybaby YH ghetto, but got out and posted in forums with substance (mostly, we all need the fluff). Be proud and learn to defend your opinions here.
    We'll challenge you.
     
  6. Donvito1122

    Donvito1122 Hippy Teacher to be!

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    Hey don't let it get you down man. Everybody out there has their own views, the only problem being they are not accepting of others views. The best advice I can give you is to be the better person and not get all worried. Show them that your views promote peace and understanding but that you understand where they are comming from. They will never stop calling us burnouts, drugaddicts, hippies (wear the last with pride :) )), but we can show them it dosen't bother us. Just read my signature and follow his advice...it always helps me out of a jam.

    Peace,

    Al
     
  7. THE GOLDEN STRING

    THE GOLDEN STRING Senior Member

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    YEP
     
  8. Donvito1122

    Donvito1122 Hippy Teacher to be!

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    sorry man, I dont know if I totally understand your question. Maybe just a typo...I was just saying that every one has thier own personal views, just they just don't accept the views of other people. Meaining they understand thier views...and they may understand others...they just refuse to accept them...not as thier own, but as the others right to have them. I hope that answers your question...if not..I'll try again later :)



    Al
     
  9. MichaelByrd1967

    MichaelByrd1967 Garcia Wannabe

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    There is hatred because there are people on this site whose opinion's clash, and they can't learn to coexist.
     
  10. TommyT

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    'All hatred stems from lack of understanding'
     
  11. wandering_okie

    wandering_okie Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    While I agree with the spirit of what you're saying...I think it's a generalization. I hate war and poverty..for instance...and that hate comes from my understanding of them (not my lack of understanding) It's merely "semantics"....no offense intended.
     
  12. TommyT

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    So you think you understand everything about war and poverty? If not, the arguement isn't valid - you still lack understanding and are therefore biased.

    When I hated them, it was because I didn't understanding the need for them. I didn't understand why they couldn't be avoided. Without understanding these things my understanding wasn't complete.

    When I questioned that enough to attempt fully understand them and all the reasons around them - I had much more understanding for how they have helped society learn from it's mistakes so we can avoid them in the future of humanity.

    I don't think my understanding of war or poverty is complete, but I certainly don't hate them anymore and I used to hate them intensly.

    When understanding is complete, you can find the reasons and avoid hate.
     
  13. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    actually, there are a few steps here to think about:
    fear stems from the lack of understanding (people, not issues)
    hate stems from fear.
     
  14. TommyT

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    You can fear issues too.

    There are countless steps if you want to look into details but the original source of hate is from the lack of understanding.

    Fear is just another smaller step from lack of understanding, e.g. jealousy.
     
  15. drumminmama

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    I can not understand something, but I don't necessarily hate it. Often I'm intrigued by that which is new to me.

    I don't think the ROOT fear is in issues. people fear issues because of what the issue represents to them: abortion: could be women's autonomy, sexual liberation, loss of control (political or religious, social control)
    Immigration: loss of power (that's a biggie in most issue "fears") assumed loss of a racial/ cultural purity that may or may not exist (Cinco de Mayo is mostly a US holiday with a few pockets in poor /peasant areas of Mexico) percieved loss of economic power as either a "preferred" employee or as a boss wanting to control workers with the threat of other workers who work for less

    if you are completely wedded to your statement, what do you fear?
     
  16. TommyT

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    Oh I'm not saying all lack of understanding creates hate. Just that all hate comes from lack of understanding. I don't understand much at all but I always manage to find a way to avoid hate.

    I agree completely. I also don't think the ROOT fear is in people either, it is normally something in themselves that creates fear.

    Hmm, I fear lonelyness more than anything I guess. Other people mean a lot to me.
     
  17. Blinkandimgone

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    hey, eveyones got their own opinion and you cant agree with everything so give him a chance!
     
  18. TommyT

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    words of wisdom :)
     
  19. wandering_okie

    wandering_okie Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    I said I hate them because of MY understanding. I didn't say I understood them completely. I just understand them enough to know I hate them. In other words..my understanding is complete enough for me. Before you declare my statement invalid, read all the words. BTW, I have a very good understanding of war and especially poverty. I've lived over twice as long as you have and probably lived in many more places and seen more things. Give a little credit would you?
    One of the problems today is that many young people think they already know everything. They don't give the previous generation any credit for experience. I wouldn't even pretend that I know enough about the peace movement to "dress down" someone that was an adult in the 60's, because they were there. I accept that they have more experience than I do. I have respect. I'm not asking you to just agree with me because of that. I am asking that you at least agree that my understanding could possibly be greater than yours on some subjects. Besides, who died and made you the expert on understanding?
     
  20. TommyT

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    You don't follow what I'm saying. I'm sorry, I'm not always very clear with the points I'm trying to make - it's a problem I'm working on though.

    You're understanding is not complete as you don't know all about the 2 subjects, these means you lack some understanding about them - it is this 'lack' (that you admited to having) that I believe your hatred stems from. While there is some understanding of the subject you do not have, you can't claim it isn't the lack that makes you hate it like you do because you are biased.

    I give everyone all the credit I can, everyones words are equal and need paying full attention to.
    You're age has nothing to do with this context and neither does the amount of places you have lived or number of things you have seen.

    Yes I know experience is an important part of life, but so is having a new approach to develope on ideas and improve. Neither can be seen as superior.

    Sorry if I offended you because I didn't mean to, only saying my views.

    I didn't say I knew anything more than anyone else, only stated my views and gave reasons for them which contradict your views.

    I wouldn't pretend that I know enough about the peace movement to "dress down" someone that was an adult in the 60's either. But what has that to do with this?

    I do agree your understanding could possibly be greater than mine - I'm asking you to prove it with reasons behind your views.
     

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