when will this (DXM) be over?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-medical_use_of_dextromethorphan

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=dxm+euphoria&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=ketamine+euphoria&btnG=Search&meta=

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&s...t=result&cd=1&q=dissociative+euphoria&spell=1

Normally you know what you're talking about U4ia, but on this note you are completely wrong. The disassociative euphoria is not the same as the opiate euphoria, but euphoria it is, and quite strong for many.

The dosage comment was aimed at OP. If he doesn't think 300mg with worth the side effects, that's because it's not. 300mg is the alcohol equivalent of 1-2 beers.

edit: Here's a great post to illustrate:

http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=43531

 

I already said that. I said DXM does not give any type of opiate euphoria.

I understand that people may get some kind of euphoria from a dissociative, but the whole argument in this thread was that DXM gives opiate like euphoria, which I stated in the last post that it doesn't.

I am sorry I made it seem as that no euphoria was possible from a dissociative...but opiate like euphoria is certainly not possible with DXM, just because it's a Morphinan.

 

opiate-like euphoria means euphoria that is similar to opiates. Of course it's not the same, but it's euphoria, and it's similar to opiate euphoria. Semantics is a dumb game.

 

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I still don't think the euphoria state that is induced by dissociatives is even close to the same type of euphoria you get from opiates. It's not semantics, it's personal preference, and there IS a difference.

DXM doesn't act in the brain like opiates do. There is a REASON for the insane euphoria you get after taking opiates....it's nothing like a happy mood lift type of state that DXM gives you. It's actually a physical reaction on your receptors, not just a state of mind. So yes, it is different.

 

Again, you don't understand. You say dxm causes "happy mood lift". No. Euphoria. Like opiates do. Different receptors are involved, so it's not through the opioid -> dopamine channel, but it is still a chemically induced euphoria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-medical_use_of_dextromethorphan

Only the mechanism is disputed, not the effect. You may not experience it well, and that is a personal reaction. Opiates tend to universally induce euphoria, while disasossiatives appear to be hit and miss in the population, but we are still talking about euphoria.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Hallucinogens/halluc4.html

You're right, it's your personal preference. You'll find that mine, and many others' personal preference is that while there are many differences in the highs between opiates and disassossiatives, they share a common thread; EUPHORIA.

 

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this, although I think we both understand each others points. My original problem was that someone called DXM an opiate, that is really all I why trying to dispute.

My apologies.

 

Euphoria

 

plus 8 more. Euphorias

 

Ok, all I said was it gave me a high that felt similar to an opiate high at 300 mgs meaning just that. The feeling. I didn't say anything about brain receptors or scientific mumbo jumbo. Getting punched in the balls and watching CNN can both give similar effects, too.

 

Besides. How do you classify a drug anyway? DXM is a morphinan which most morphinans may not be recreational but they're still opiates.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but I always considered DXM to be in the opiate family and the dissociative part as the actions it gives. Because that's it does at high enough doses, causes dissassociation. I know I'm probably going to get some arguments thrown back at me but thats the way I've always seen it.

Just like with K. I consider it a tranquilizer first and a dissociative second.

 

Then you have some strange views. Do you consider marijuana a depressant?

K is always considered a dissociative, because that's what it does. It doesn't tranquilize, that is simply bad english used by some non-drug-savy people. DXM is likewise a dissociative, even though it is chemically similar to opiates.

Drugs are classified by their effects, not by their molecular similarities.

 

Mariuana, I consider a plant. The chemical, THC, however I do see as a drug that contains sedative, deppressant, and hallucinogenic properties (some people actually do get minor hallucinations from thc).

Other plants I see the same way. The plant is a plant. Whereas the chemical I consider the drug. People may argue and say THC isn't a drug. In my eyes, it is. However, the actual cannabis plant is just that, a plant. But it happens to contain a drug.

I feel the same way with pills. The capsule or the binders/fillers are just that. Yet they contain the drug you need inside.

As you can imagine, with my views, I'm probably the life of the party. lol.

 

Oh and I do know K is a dissociative. But its main use is to tranquilize animals which is what I learned when I took a class about caring for animals. So when people take K, they are actually misusing a product made for tranquilizing animals for operations.

Im not trying to sound like Im condeming anyone here. I have wanted to try K a bunch of times too but have never been able to find it. But that is the way I see K as.

PCP, obviously, now is just a dissociative but back in the days it was first used as an anesthetic.

 

awwww my balls! i member when i was arguing with someone cause i said dxm was my favorite opioid. its not an opiaite, but i still say its chemically an opioid based on structure alone, and not on the receptors it works on in the brain. theres like a grey area between some of the opioids when they start to go from opioid analgesics, working on the various opiod receptors, to what i like to think of as opioid nmda receptor antagonists. and dxm does work on the sigma receptors, which used to be thought of as another one of the opioid receptor (you know, like the kappa, mu and delta receptors) . regardless, i also believe that dxm causes intense feelings of joy and or well being, aka euphoria, whereas regular opiates never have given me any feelings of well being or joy, at all. and 300 mgs is just a teaser dose, but i think you wouldve been better if you wouldve smoked weed with it. weed seems to smooth out the experience while also boosting it up a lot.

 

DXM is definitely a dissociative folks. just because its derived from morphine doesn't make it an opiate.

example: LSD is derived from a deadly poisonous mold that grows on rye, but it is neither deadly or poisonous.

 

Uh, anybody that claims THC is not a drug either does not understand the definition of THC, Drug, or Is.

Right, and we aren't concerned with the binders, fillers, and extraneous chemicals. When I say "marijuana" what is obviously meant is "The 60+ cannabinoids INSIDE marijuana". When I say DXM, what is meant is "The Dextromethorphan (Hydrobromide) INSIDE the cough syrup/gel caps". When I say "LSD" I mean "the LSD-25 INSIDE the piece of paper with dozens of chemicals for inks and whatnot on it".

Everyone knows this, this is how people talk. I'm not sure what your point is here.

So then you must consider codeine a cough suppresant? Because that's what it's used for.

The point i'm trying to get across is that it doesn't matter what the legitimate use of a drug is when classifying it. Cassification is done by qualitatively assessing the EFFECTS of the drug.

Hence, acid is not a "truth serum" (original use) but rather a psychedelic.

Ketamine is not a "horse tranquilizer" (original use) but rather a dissociative.

Heroin is not a "cough ailment medicine" (original use) but rather an opiate.

See how it works?

Lol, so the classification of a drug changes with it's use? That is preposterous. With your logic that means that tomorrow LSD could be classified a stimulant because some tweakers take it to complement their meth trip. That means that tomorrow heroin could become a depressant, because when people take it, they nod. Don't you see the shortfallings of this way of thinking?

No, use does not create classification. Only effects do, because that is what is relevant when classifying drugs.

 

LOLz i too took my first try at dxm at 1am. wasnt able to sleep until around 7 or 8. I remember i was swearing i would never do it again because i just felt too wierd. I didnt puke or anything. But when i tried laying down to sleep id feel like i was being rolled over and over at like 50mph.

But I gave it another try and it was the sweetest drug ive tried. Had the best trip and i regreted swearing to never try it again. I hear all these things that people puke and feel so horrible... and i just think what a lucky person i am for that not to happend to me lol.

=D

 

Glad you enjoyed it. What dose did you take?

Also, you should know that new effects can arise. I can no longer ingest DXM, at all. I have developed a nasty reaction to it's presence in my body. This is apparently very common.

 

Perhaps I was unclear about how I see drugs should be classified. What I meant was, they should be classified based on their chemical structure and what they are derived from.

LSD I consider a psychedelic because that is what it is. It has never been used for medicinal purposes (in actual medicine, not in some weird shamanic culture type thing).

I enjoy a drug based on what it does. I try to delve in too much of how a drug should be classified but to me, the chemical structure and its intended use is how a drug should be classified.

Just like DXM is a cough suppressant first in its normal dose. When taken in high doses, it becomes a dissociative. You wouldn't say a child taking some cough medicine for a cold is tripping out on a dissociative, would you?

Maybe I'm talking out my ass, who knows. I let people do their thing, I do mine. When I see someone snorting a pill that doesn't need to be snorted, I just let them go for it. If it makes them happier and gives them a placebo added on to the high you'd get from taking it orally, then more power to them. Like my stepbrother and his friend when they snort vicodin. I'll even admit I've done a few lines with them.