Where is the human race headed?

Damn, why'd you have to put it there? Now I can read it but can't post. Well, I could but I will not out of respect for the Christians and Hipforums. You got me all interested with your point of view, I wold like to see it justified and backed up with some facts.

So, it better not be more of the same, else it's a waste of time for all involved. Your arguments would've had way more sway and less ridicule-factor with some reasoning and facts behind them.

 

Well, I read what you've got so faar and it's just a copy of what you've written in this thread... You kep saying "I've established evolution is a lie" but you haven't, all you've done is say it's a lie and call it a religion.

You misunderstand evolution, the big bang and things like that. They're not religions, we don't have absolute faith; they are simply the best explanations we can offer at the moment. We are always questioning our own explanations to find something that would fit better, to help us understand more of our existence.

You are fudamentalist, basically. You have the kind of attitude that really gets to me and puts me off religion as a whole. You attack and condemn subjects that you know nothing about in reality, often contradicting yourself and never backing up your shit with anything except your faith in your own thought process.

Seriously, at least provide some information (and I don't mean your own words and thoughts) to solidify your conjecture and it will be worth thinking about; as it stands it is nothing more than the ramblings of a warped mind.

*spits*

 

Brother mustlivelife why spit ?

Offer me the evidence that proves or supports evolution and the Big Bang. And I will go over it with you and explain in detail how it is lies. Only two people in this thread have offered anything so far. And I have shown them the correct way, that what they presented here was in fact wrong and not part of science. I have already expressed how micro evolution is implied evidence for all the different types of evolution (chemical, organic, stellar...etc). There is simply nothing to present for evidence for evolution that can stand outside the agenda biased world view it holds to.

Evolution is a protected state religion. You will never hear the thousands of real scientist who know evolution is a lie because they are not part of the mainstream system. I tell you the truth.

The question really: is evolution wrong ? No, because it does not exist. The question should be: where is the evidence and science behind Evolution or the big bang ? The leading theories and, more accurately, the leading rhetoric is not part of science. It is not part of common sense. They are only part of the humanist agenda.

Now, let's start from scratch. We both know how evolution the theory works. You ask me a specific question and I will give you an answer.

Oh, please join my other thread in the Religion section under Christianity Sanctuary. The thread is called " strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

As it stands today, there is not one shred of evidence for evolution and the big bang.

I am not a fundamentalist, whatever that means. I am simply for Truth and against error. You do not see this because your world view is peregrinated by the humanist agenda. You really believe the lies. Up is down and down is up. If you only knew, you would know I am here to help you see truth.

Oh last thing. The movie Ziegiest is propaganda. Some truth mixed in with a little poison. Just like Evolution. Ever wonder why Ziegiest won awards and so many other "truth" movies do not ?

I just posted up some good evidence and will continue to do so as I get time to look over my notes. If you will not visit that thread then I will make it a point to PM you once I get factual posts up.

 

Errm.. no you didn't. You gave up as soon as you realized you didn't understand what we were talking about. You spewed a bunch of nonsense which I addressed, and then said "i'm done with the article" as if you'd won. This is a typical tactic for religious types.

 

Walsh, in that article Micro evolution was exemplified as evidence for macro evolution. That article was clouded in misconceptions and assumptions only. That was not proof of evolution. All that happened in that articles was the expression of phenotypes not seen in past generations.

That article is proof of nothing but it does show that mirco evolution is possible. How do you think we get different breeds of dogs ? Cats ? Or even marijuana ? But a dog still only can mate with a dog and it produces...yup, you guessed it, a dog.

What that article claimed as proof for evolution was nothing more than gene combinations that expressed phenotypes not seen, as I already said. The bacteria was still a bacteria and it still could only reproduce itself into the same kind of bacteria. And that is the truth.

Prove me wrong. Better yet, since I've been doing all the explaining to you and seeing as how I know nothing about what I'm talking about, why don't you explain how that article is true to me. Since I explained twice to you already that it is not proof of evolution at all. I await.

Who is we ? I understand the theory of evolution. You forget I was a student of that religion for many years. What is typical for religious types ? Clear this up for me. Last I checked we are all human, of one type.

That article does not provide proof for evolution. If you really think it does, you can earn 250,000 dollars. I'll provide you the address to send it and claim your reward for proving evolution true. The offer has been standing 15 years...you are going to be rich Walsh!

 

I already said that gene sequencing was used to show the genetic mutations which were not there before. If it was an unexpressed phenotype it would show up on the genotype of the earlier generations, would it not?

By the same process. Certainly both macro evolution and micro evolution are evolution. I don't know why you make the distinction.

See this just demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about - there is no gene recombination in unicellular reproduction. No meiosis.

Religious types = christian, muslim, buddhist, hindu. You know, like you.

If I offered you $20 to prove I exist, could you do it?

 

You are silly. Make sure you turn that article in to receive your 250,000 prize money for proving evidence for evolution.

You should be starting to see that the magic word for Macro evolutionary theory ( as well as chemical, organic, stellar and cosmic evolution) is Billions and billions of years.


LOL

 

Same here. :sunny:

 

You're like a tape recorder on playback. Nothing you said there was new, and you didn't address my responses. If a bacterium got up and walked around, you would claim this was latent in its DNA.

What does micro/macro evolution have to do with anything? The distinction is pointless, and a typical fallacy used by creationists. Both involve mutation and selection to produce genetic change, the exact processes you claim do not exist. Here is a list of all the observed instances of speciation: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

 

I've also given up.
As much as I'm anti-technology, I'm not anti-knowledge or information. And what is happening here with Mr. RambleOn is a good example of the American educational system. I don't have a problem debating with highly religious individuals; As long as they do it in a more or less academic or logical way.

As far as this evolution huey,
I never lived several million years ago and I'm not going to be alive several million in the future. So personally, I'm not concerned with the entire theory of evolution. The energy in this argument could be best used in other pursuits.

I started volunteering at a soup kitchen this week and I think I'm going to start an organization to help undeveloped African nations. I'm going to call it "A toilet for everyone."

 

Rambleon seems to say in places that evolution exists, almost proves it... Then goes on to say that it doesn't...

Ugh, I'm going to have a nap on this and then give it some effort for a cohesive reply...

Rambleon, these dogs that you talk about, where did they come from? Why is it that the canine species has such massive variation? AND PLEASE remember that any serious evolutionist (NOT the same as these "humanists" you mention, I for one don't believe that we will evolve into gods) knows that evolution is a THEORY, not a concrete fact. Like I said before, it is the best explanation for now until we find a better answer.

Really, rather than take it from us, perhaps you should peruse "Origin of the Species" by a Mr. C. Darwin for more information on the process of evolution through natural selection. Arguing about isolated instances in a subject like this puts way too many limitations on it.

Also, there was an experiment with some lactose intolerant cells exposed to milk in an enclosed environment. Instead of perishing, the cells developed a tolerance to lactose. A microcosm of evolution. I will try to find more details on this experiment later.

Evolution is commonplace in every single human being. Each day you produce new sperm written with a new genetic code relating to your environment, such as resistance to diseases you have encountered and even what you have learned that day. The re-writing of this genetic code could easily be labelled as a form of evolution.

Now for that nap.

PS: I will not be posting in the sanctuary forum because I am not an acolyte of Jesus. And I'm nobody's brother.

 

Brother Walsh, brother VOT and to brother mustlivelife: I will be formulating a reply soon. Just know that mirco evolution is not implied evidence for the other theories of evolution...you still can't explain how species evolve or how the universe evolves. That takes faith to believe in. It is every bit as religious.

In the beginning dirt...

In the beginning God...


Ill be back later my friends to explain in great detail...

 

slowly, through tiny changes over a large span of time, i.e. microevolution.

yawn.

 

Yes, I understand the belief and faith it takes to accept this. But it has never been shown, observed, or proved with any evidence. It is a religious belief. Other than Micro evolution, evolution does not exist. It is a fairy tale. I await your reasoning.

 

Down two and then left

 

The scientific definition of a theory is something that hasn't been proven inarguably right, but has not been proven wrong either.

It doesn't take belief or faith to understand that small changes over a small span of time turns into greater changes over a large span of time. It takes common sense.

 

Evolution isn't even a theory, we know it's how organisms change. Is gravity a theory?

 

Yes, it is.

Which proves that being a theory doesn't necessarily make something any less valid.

 

The scientific definition of "theory" is quite a bit different from the colloquial use. I guess hypothesis comes a bit closer.

But then .... I'm no scientist.

 

Is there a higher form of knowledge?