Where is the human race headed?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by rygoody, Jul 24, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Meliai

    Meliai Members

    Messages:
    867
    Likes Received:
    13
    a theory is a theory because multiple experiements have proven it right while none have proven it wrong. Its a theory because there still exists the slight possibility that one day something could come along and prove it completely wrong.

    Science is all about possibilities. Christianity is not about possibilities, its about Adam and Eve, 6 day creation, a God with a penis, and some other crap that doesn't leave room for any other possibility in the universe. Science doesn't try to explain everything, it tries to explain tiny pieces of the whole one at a time in order to make sense of all the possibilities.

    Christianity, or at least Christianity in the Rambleon form (a form i'm very familiar with because I grew up in the Bible Belt) tries to explain everything as a whole and then takes all these tiny pieces and warps them until they fit in with the Christian worldview.
     
  2. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,678
    Likes Received:
    9
    Yes, but I'm asking what type of knowledge or evidence makes a theory inferior. The existence of your body is deduced by visual observation and reference to your own supposition that what you are seeing is matter, which is real. That doesn't seem much different from how we view gravity.
     
  3. Meliai

    Meliai Members

    Messages:
    867
    Likes Received:
    13
    a theory is only inferior when religious fundamentalists change the definition of theory because they don't really understand what a theory means in science.

    That is all. Other than that, theories do a fine job at explaining things to the best of human understanding.
     
  4. rambleON

    rambleON Coup

    Messages:
    4,693
    Likes Received:
    45
    I love that meilai thinks I am a fundamentalist and that I can not under stand evolution.

    LOL
     
  5. Montreal-Mark

    Montreal-Mark Membre

    Messages:
    368
    Likes Received:
    0
    I just think that you're a bunch of idiots following a bible commissioned by a homo. Yup, King James was queer.

    Not a problem except that you born again protestants hate homosexuals so
    much that it's a pathetic joke on yourselves.
     
  6. rambleON

    rambleON Coup

    Messages:
    4,693
    Likes Received:
    45
    Why hate ? Seriously why so hostile ?

    I will be addressing the KJV soon. . . subscribe to my thread in the Christian sanctuary "Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians"

    All are sinners. James did not write the bible nor translate it. He was king during the time, that is all. If you want to assume go ahead.


    Even if he was a homo, what does his sin have to do with the word of God ?
     
  7. Montreal-Mark

    Montreal-Mark Membre

    Messages:
    368
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't hate you... That would be a waste of energy.

    I just know you and you're kind are a bunch of idiots. As for the bullshit you're going to write about the King James Bible....

    I'm sure anything you write will be just as "informative" as the drivel you printed in this thread.
     
  8. rambleON

    rambleON Coup

    Messages:
    4,693
    Likes Received:
    45
    Let me ask you, do you believe that we evolved from a primordial soup in the oceans or that we evolved from monkeys ?
     
  9. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,678
    Likes Received:
    9
    If you want to claim to understand evolution, you'd do well to avoid spouting ridiculous nonsense like that we evolved from monkeys. We might even start to believe you.
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    10,073
    Likes Received:
    139
    No, gravity is not a theory, it is pervasive and demonstrable phenomenon. The are many theories as to what causes the phenomenon known as gravity but the phenomenon is real.

    Just like the existence of life is a pervasive and demonstrable phenomenon and evolution is just a theory as to what causes that phenomenon.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    10,073
    Likes Received:
    139
    I beg your pardon, there are many inferior theories, that religious fundamentalists changing the definition of theory, had nothing to do with. [​IMG]
     
  12. mustlivelife

    mustlivelife Knows nothing!

    Messages:
    1,444
    Likes Received:
    2
    We know what causes gravity: Mass.

    RambleON: You also seem to have something against the big bang theory. The fact that the universe is expanding outwards (a phenomenon which has aided us in gauging the age of the universe, galaxies and planets) is one of the main reasons why the big bang theory came to be. Another tool in helping us understand the age and origin of far off (and near) celestial bodies is the radio waves they emit, besides other forms of radiation.

    The trouble is, the evolution and big bang theories have already been put through the rigours of analysis from religous folk and passed with flying colours. Try using science to disprove the theories, that's the only way you could stand a chance in convincing us, since that is our language. When you speak in religious parlance, to us it is psycho-babble and drivel, you are speaking in a language we don't understand and don't like to hear, do you see what I'm saying?
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    10,073
    Likes Received:
    139
    Come on you know better than that. The saying we "evolved from monkeys" is just a phrase commonly used to describe evolution and is not an attempt to accurately describe evolution. (That is unless rambleON actually believes that evolutionist believe we evolved from monkeys and then what you say about him is all true.)

    I mean, how can I person say we evolved from any one particular "missing link" when evolutionists aren't really sure themselves? [​IMG]
     
  14. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

    Messages:
    13,341
    Likes Received:
    45
    Another long-winded, armchair religious debate. Excuse me while I crack myself over the head with a brick and pull up a chair.
     
  15. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,678
    Likes Received:
    9
    You're right about that, he was probably just being derogatory. But you'd be surprised how many people think evolution says we evolved from monkeys. My own parents, for a start.

    Demonstrable phenomenon? Gravity is an explanation of what makes an apple fall to the ground. Before a few hundred years ago we had a different explanation. Why?

    How is the existence of life demonstrable exactly? Like I said, I see my body, but to know what it is I have to refer to my own knowledge, which tells me that what I am seeing is life.
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    10,073
    Likes Received:
    139
    No, we know that there appears to be a correlation between gravity and mass but as to why gravity exists and what it is, is still unknown.

    There are many theories, such as a graviton particle but no such particle has been found, as far as I know.

    If science has come up with some new information on why gravity exists and what it is, please post a link, I try to keep up but may have missed it. :)
     
  17. Montreal-Mark

    Montreal-Mark Membre

    Messages:
    368
    Likes Received:
    0

    It would explain where you and your kind came from.

    Let's face it... You and the rest of the born again christian king james bible thumpers walk around dragging your knuckles on the ground like monkeys and clubbing anyone that doesn't think/act/dress like you.

    At lest in the theory of evolution there is evolution. In the followers of King James all you get is devolution.
     
  18. mustlivelife

    mustlivelife Knows nothing!

    Messages:
    1,444
    Likes Received:
    2

    So, are you telling me that mass does not cause gravity? Ok then, you can believe that if you want. Perhaps review the semantics of what you say before saying it.
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    10,073
    Likes Received:
    139
    I've used the same stupid phrase myself and know better but being lazy it's just so easy to throw out the old "evolved from monkeys" thing. [​IMG]

    I know what you mean about some actually believing the the whole "evolved from monkeys" thing. But what with evolution expanding exponentially, it's hard for someone like me, who tries to keep up with it, to keep up with it. So I can see where some like your parents, who probably have other things they think are more important to think about, just simplify in their minds that evolution means we "evolved from monkeys" and leave it at that. :)
     
  20. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    10,073
    Likes Received:
    139
    Not a physics student are you?

    As I said; there appears to be a correlation between gravity and mass, there is even a nice formula for for that correlation but as to why gravity exists and what it is, is still unknown and that is not semantics, that is just a fact.

    Yes, General Relativity suggests that gravity is just the result of mass warping space/time but quantum mechanics says something else:

    Gravity and quantum mechanics

    In the decades after the discovery of general relativity it was realized that general relativity is incompatible with quantum mechanics. It is possible to describe gravity in the framework of quantum field theory like the other fundamental forces, such that the attractive force of gravity arises due to exchange of virtual gravitons, in the same way as the electromagnetic force arises from exchange of virtual photons. This reproduces general relativity in the classical limit. However, this approach fails at short distances of the order of the Planck length, where a more complete theory of quantum gravity (or a new approach to quantum mechanics) is required. Many believe the complete theory to be string theory, or more currently M-theory, and, on the other hand, it may be a background independent theory such as loop quantum gravity or causal dynamical triangulation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice