Where is the human race headed?

you're probably right, although i suppose that really depends on the answer to this thread.

 

I must respectfully differ here... immortality would be a curse regardless of whether there's one singular answer to this thread. I think part of the problem is that people are being cultured into assuming they are entitled to avoid death indefinitely.

Ultimately the species must die because the planet will not hold conditions conducive to life forever... so the discussion might well be re-framed as, "Are we accelerating our own demise?" I'd say yes to that.

 

Stinkfoot:

They are?! Really, most people believe they will die. The culture of viewing life as inherently fated, as unable to exceed its conditions to where it could maintain them indefinitely, of seeing only an option between the 'prolonging' of life, and the headlong rush towards its end --- strikes me as antithetical to understanding the reaches of our consciousness.

Isn't the problem really one of "everyone for themselves"? Which needn't be one, were it also to be by virtue of eachother.

 

Yes, really... though I don't disagree that most are aware of their mortality. The "everyone for themselves" is a big part of the cultural disease here- perhaps the avoiding death indefinitely isn't so much cultural as it is marketing of medical services- but I see one of the big cracks in the industrialized world is the degree of inseparability cultivated between commerce and culture. The medical universe would promote the illusion of immortality as long as one has the finances to maintain that mirage.

 

Aside from said 'divide', I'd say there is also one perceived in how physical immortality is conceived by the world at large ( if conceived at all.) Elixir from within as opposed to without. Shrooms vs nanobots to provide the hypothetical. LOL ---I just don't happen to see it.

Is immortality so unimaginable? Wouldn't it, at bottom, be a matter of going on imagining it?! : D They say the gods get bored, but I've never even met one to know!

 

most likely. but then maybe humans really will move onto a new planet a few light years away before that happens. i'm not counting on it, definitely not in my lifetime, but then you really can't predict the future with certainty, even if it is something that seems certain.

 

Predicting the future is fun no doubt, but I feel that creating it does more than take our breath away.

Is it possible that human life could be suspended in its highest feeling by ending time in our own mind? By continuing to make only our own?

It's said what goes up must cease doing so, but isn't that only by those who think space-exploration can't take place on earth?! : D

 

no shit?

This is a fallacy that people often use to argue against evolution when they really don't understand the theory of evolution or have never taken the time to learn about it.

Evolution is:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-definition.html

A fruit fly won't evolve into a monkey but a fruit fly can, over many generations, evolve into something that is not quite the same as the original fruit fly.

Evolution is adaptation over a long period of time. Thats all it is. The first generation fish that adapts to salt water would not constitute evolution, but if several generations down the road this fish's offspring's offspring were born already suited to salt water, that is evolution.

Basically it shows that two populations of fruit flys can genetically change so much within a few short generations that the two populations become reluctant to mate with each other or won't mate with each other at all.

Everything you learn is a lie to a certain extent. Everything you learn is subject to someone else's perspective and perspective is only a microcosm of the truth.

 

A fruit fly won't evolve into a monkey but a fruit fly can, over many generations, evolve into something that is not quite the same as the original fruit fly.

Oh, so you mean a fruit fly will take a longer time to evolve into a monkey ? That it won't just happen right away, it will be not quite the same as the original first...

Gotcha.


I understand evolution, the theory. It's false.


Let me tell you what evolution is. You got it wrong. Let me tell you what you think, because I'm not sure you understand your religion correctly:

Evolution is the change of gene frequencies in a population over time. Simple.


You can not have a fruit fly evolve into another species. Not possible. It's never been seen, never will happen and nothing supports it. Not even fossils. Nor the erroneous errors of carbon dating, or the layers in the ice or rock. All spun unto lies.

The only mutations in the genetic code are dire and off ill fate. Ask your sponsored professors of lies this. The only mutation seen in the human genome is down syndrome, how is this positive ?

You see, what evolution is trying to do is to tell the masses that we will soon evolve into Gods. That is the point. You have been lied to and the I suggest STRONGLY to look into the agendas of this.

Evolution is simply agenda biased to get people away from truth, to eventually kill you off and enslave you. I tell you the truth.


Give some evidence please.

 

Thats not what I mean at all. You're twisting what I'm saying to suit your argument.

Thats what I've been trying to tell you. Its very simple.

The fruit fly experiment proves, in a small window of time, that two populations within a species can evolve to the point where they no longer mate. This means they evolve into two different species.

Thats funny coming from a guy that believes in an imaginary man in the sky.

 

ramble

 

You know full well exactly what you're doing. You're baiting. You're crying for evidence, but you could fucking Google and find out the scientific consensus if you genuinely wanted it. What will happen if someone were to Google for you is you would deny their findings.

You're clearly some kind of ignorant nutter, and I don't have the time. Debating creationists often makes me feel like I'm trying to reason with a chicken. Either do the research yourself (not on religious or spiritual websites, but research on evidence-based fact) or shut up about it. You've proven a complete lack of knowledge and understanding apart from anything but religious nut talk. I advise those with more knowledge than you not to engage in debate. This is a person who doesn't want his mind changed.

 

Let's not exclude eachother! At least we're here! Everyone in this thread is representing the human race! : D Here's my proposition. A dragonfly does evolve into a monkey and a fish, just not by itself, but with everything else. It doesn't know it. There is nothing about it we need realize. Monkey goes into fish and fly too the same way. lol Where evolution becomes self-explanatory isn't in theory but the terms for its occurrence, our going through the motions as it were, for everything is really evolving at once, and has always been. Entropic evidence to the contrary? I'm guessing evolution doesn't satisfy Ramble as metaphor for change because our will is not implicit in the word itself?

Whatever the case may be,

I'm the ignorant nutter around here Fingermouse! ; D I don't think we have to die! : D

 

I'm not normally so dismissive, but I've seen this same conversation play out hundreds of times. I know this person can't be persuaded. The fact is, the evidence is so overwhelming that had the person any intention of finding the truth, they would have found it by now.

This isn't about the truth, it's about one nutter's garbage about no evidence and children of God, and nonsense talk about fly-monkeys which is so clearly backward it's an insult to biologists. I will not partake. I will use my energies for people who actually care about scientific reason and biological evidence, who know what a monkey is, who don't make facetious comments about my grandmother not being a fish and who don't have a religious agenda.

 

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers
-Carl Sagan.

Replace "planet" with "species". Stop fearing the facts and start revelling in them. If you genuinely want evidence, it's a few clicks away.

 

Fingermouse:

: D

 

I was answering your post, not debating RambleON

 

I know, and I thank you for using your energies on me, ...I'm only hoping your grandma doesn't take it the wrong way, unless of course she's got gills. : )

 

Everybody knows I'm a rodent.

 

You're a beauty. I know that much.

But there is danger still. The human race could yet be headed off at the pass!