Which is most like LSD, 2c-c, 2c-e, or 2c-i

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2ct7 sounds nice, besides the nausea....and the fact that i'm scared of it because of the 2? deaths. i know it doesn't make much sense to be scared for that reason...but that seed is planted deep in my brain. i don't think it'd be a good idea for me to take some, maybe get sick and puke, and then wonder for a nanosecond "shit, am i gonna die?"

 

T7 is definitely the most LSD-like, lasts about as long, is pretty analytic and metaphysically deep, and the open eyed visuals are phenomenal . . . on 35mg I texted my friend "This is highly, highly lucy" it'll leave your ass spun for the next day or two like proper lucy will too.

Pork all the T7 deaths have come from large snorted doses. Considering T7 is one of the most painful drugs ever to snort, I wouldn't worry too much about it anyways both deaths were ~35mg snorted, which is 70-100mg oral equivalent. There's a third death out there from an oral dose in combination with MDMA . . . but combining anything with MDMA is always inherently more dangerous because of its unique mechanism of action. There is also controversy about saying that T7 was the actual cause of the death. You should actually read erowid's detailed reports, there's a lot of missing information in the stories and speculation, it's not as simple as "2ct7 killed some people", rather, the medical examiner wrote "cause of death: drug overdose" without finding any mechanism for the actual cause of death, just writing it off to the easiest thing to write it off to.

 

Like the 2Ce 'overdoses' ?

 

No, not quite.

Yeah pork, you should give t7 a go at some point. It's one of my favorite compounds (not just as far as rc's go).

 

writer - i know all that, but still...

i guess when i have LSD, i don't care about trying the closest phen to LSD

and 50 mg is fairly close to 70 mg IMO

 

Goes through different metabolic route when you snort it though. And aren't phens widely considered to increase in potency by closer to 300% when you snort them? In which case the deaths were more equivalent to ~120mg oral, but STILL worse than that because its snorted and skips the liver.

The facts are so sketch in those stories too. In one of them, the guy was on MDMA, ephedrine, snorted ~35mg T7 "but asked for a little extra" . . . what the hell does that mean? maybe he snorted 55mg? Don't be one of those "I know but still" guys examine the facts and resist unbased fears. I know some guys who only snort T7, they have a thing for snorting (k heads), and they don't even use scales :X

 

^^^if they wanna risk their own life like that...fine with me. i personally, would rather not. sometimes writer you act like there is this innate NEED to try ever single psychedelic there is. but not me, man. i'm OK if i never try 2ct7, and i don't think it'll mean that i haven't lived...

i never heard that 2cx was really 300% stronger when snorted. i'd say APPROXIMATELY twice as strong. of course that's just a guess, and pretty much all anyone can do. maybe it'd be 4 times as strong to someone else, and only half as strong to me (deviated septum).
yes, snorting things makes them bypass the liver (from my understanding)...but maybe i had a piece of my liver removed when i was 2, so i have a bit of nervousness about that too.

i suppose i'm not even 100% against trying it, like if a good friend of mine offered me some, maybe i'd try an oral dose, but i'd be too scared to take 50 mg probably.

the FACTS (at least what we are presented as fact) is that a minimum of three young men died after ingesting 2ct7, albeit with complications, but what are MY personal complications? we all know how widely variable people can be in their reaction to psychedelics. is it really all that irrational to think that it's a good idea to be weary of an unregulated, potentially lethal chemical?

i haven't taken 2ce since before the "2ce deaths" and even that has got me sketched now.

i do see your point, writer, but i just hope you can see mine as well.

 

I don't think it will mean that either, but while we are sitting here in a psychedelic forum spending a large chunk of our lives and resources trying out psychedelic experiences, it would be a grand shame if you passed up something as monumental as Blue Mystic because of the drug equivalent of "MICROWAVES CHANGE THE MOLECULAR STRUCTURE OF WATAR AND MAKE IT CANCERUS!!1" stories.

It's been said many times on these forums, 2-3 times stronger. Erowid dosage charts confirm, ~2.5x potency increase on avg.

It surprises me that a scientific mind like yours capitalises the first part of the sentence and places the second part in parenthesis. What is directly at issue, which I have explicitely pointed out to you, is that second part. The presentation of said "facts". I think you are having a bit of a knee-jerk reaction here to anything related to 2cx and dying, even when shown that the dying part has a lot of problems with it.

There's a difference between being wary and this :

Again, another story so full of holes that there is really basically zero usable data from it, especially not "don't do 2c-e, it might kill you". Actually, the real facts (thousands of regular users doing many successful dosings) show quite clearly that 2c-e appears to be extremely safe.

I'm sorry but I really don't. It looks like this to me:

-many many people use drug X without harm

-3 stories come up, full of holes, that seem to involve drug x in the death of 3 people (out of how many users? what percent is that? 0.001 fatality rate? safer than H2O lol?), sometimes only in the following way: cause of death can't be determined, but subject had done 2c-e recently, so hey why not, drugs are bad right.

-the stories give you the willies even though they don't logically seem to indicate a danger with the substances beyond "there is a 0.01% chance that if you snort an overdose of the substance while on other drugs you may die if medical attention is not given to you", and that is the strongest claim we can make from these stories. I'm sorry but I've been around the block long enough to smell fear-mongering in reporting, and drug/death stories, forget it. Might as well get your facts about world war 2 from a holocaust denier.

 

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people don't take 2ct7 without harm though. its well known to cause the worse nausea of most 2cxs. might be a sign it's not too great for your body....

and that's the real reason i haven't taken 2ce for over a year now, because of the way it makes ME feel. but now that there have been those ridiculous reports of deaths from 2ce, i just know there is a small part of me that might worry about that if things start to take a turn for the worse during my trip. my rational brain knows i need not worry, but i would be tripping after all.
but mostly i don't take 2ce anymore because it makes me feel kinda like garbage. and from the reports on 2ct7, it sounds like it might be similar.

this whole "game" is about calculated risks. my threshold is lower than yours writer. obviously you think it's "worth it" to eat 50 mg of 2ct7, since a few people on these boards have done it and are ok. in my earliest research about RCs i learned that there were fatalities from 2ct7. yes they snorted large doses, but still, THEY FUCKING DIED DUDE! not worth it. and i'll even admit that part of my fear is unfounded, but i think it's not THAT crazy.

 

Now Now! Everyone stick out your tongue ¤ and lets be friends

 

This is a good thread. I am glad I found it. Since I am pretty sure I won't be obtaining LSD any time in the coming years, I look to the 2c-x drugs. I have much experience all over the dose range with 2c-I and I have gotten many different mindsets from the varied doses (and if I insufflate or take orally..). I would say the insufflated low dose is more 'visual' and 'weird' than a higher oral dose. But the oral dose is more introspective and thought provoking for me. Next up is 2c-E when I start getting my Teaching Asst. paychecks again in the end of August.

I look forward to the more 'deep' and 'brutally honest' aspect of that one that is often discussed here. I figure that 2c-E would be the closest to LSD I will likely ever experience. But you never know?

 

2ce dosent seem to be that mental for me, i admit on it i thought more of my fears and how they were mostly unfounded but as far as ego-loss and thinking about the future of your life ive had no such luck, however from what ive read on mxe, that and 2ce should give a very nice headfuck trip

 

wrong thread...

 

I've had very little experience with 2c's but I've actually tried to meditate a bit (I'm so use to lsd) and was completely unable to concentrate for more than a few moments in time. But I love them all the same <3

 

Although I can't compare the 2Cs with acid myself, as I've only tried 2C-E, and haven't actually done acid anyway.. I had to reply to this post because yes! I totally agree. When I saw Chemical Brothers on 2C-E, some of the most memorable moments were when I was in the portable toilets, the whole thing shaking and echoing with the sound of the music - it was like I was in some alien spacecraft about to take off.

Why do all the strangest things happen in public toilets? :rofl:

 

Question: Since for the next few months, I only have access to my 2C-I stash I accumulated about a year ago, is it even possible with this substance, to get to a level similar to that of LSD. I know they are different chemicals, one being serotonin-esque, the other dopaminergic, but they are similar.

So far, I have gotten some amazing experiences off of it, even at high doses, but nothing quite like the purported LSD experience. However, I think that if I abstain from my Zyprexa (5-HT2A antagonist) for longer than two days, maybe make it three, then I could get a better experience. Is it worth a try?

 

They are both serotonergic, lsd just has some dopamine action too. Honestly, I've never done 2ci but no 2cx is going to take you anywhere near a good acid trip, and 2ci is not one of the more entheogenic 2cs, like T7 or even 2ce...

 

^^^ :2thumbsup: