Who here buys into the Illuminati thing?

I am not writing a college thesis, nor do I feel like taking the time to cite sources. I would much rather people do their own research and come to their own conclusion regarding the things I talk about.

 

You should just keep a copy of it all on a clipboard somewhere, then when some fucktard thinks it's fun to start yet another "hey pressed rat lets talk about conspiracy and so i can quip" 3 days from now, all you have to do is copy and paste and shut them up before it gets to 12 pages like usual.

 

You don't support Kyoto? Waste diversion initiatives?

Do you have doubts there are holes in the Ozone layer?

Little much to call global warming a hoax. The batshit insane kind of little much. But go on.

 

I blame my "obscurity" as you say on my lack of ambition, in this capitalist world you have to want alot to get it. I don't blame elitists for my lack of money, these people are very well educated on being and staying rich, that's okay with me. What's not okay with me is that corprate america is able to buy politicians or that these societies like the skulls and bones or the federal reserve along with the elite families and corprate powers take rights away from the people undemocratically.

If people want to be rich let them, but tax them as much of a percent as you tax me. Hold the corparations accountable for their sustainability and ethics. Introduce legislation that prohibits toxic food additives and drug companies inflating prices for the american market and giving kickbacks to doctors for prescribing more. Protect the freedom and liberty of the rest of us and those sharp edged elitists can hide in private places and conspire whatever they want so long as they have no real power to plunder.

 

*cough* Ron Paul *cough*

all makes sense to me... because I don't come in assuming its a bunch of craziness... a viable explanation is a viable explanation.

The subtleties are not hard to see if you look for em..

What I fear is that at this point in time there is no way to overthrow such power, they have no problem killing millions so they can enslave billions.

 

I am not for or against anything anymore. It's not like I have any say in the matter anyway. They want people to take sides because they want to make everything into a political issue, as a way to further polarize the public and get people arguing amongst themselves. I simply expose things for what they are. You really need to question motives before you simply accept things at face value. I learned long ago that governments and the unelected bureaucracies that run them at the highest levels, rarely have the best interests of the people or the environment in mind. The Kyoto treaty has nothing to do with protecting the envionment, and everything to do with eroding national sovereignty with international laws and regulations, as another stepping stone toward creating a one world government. They use issues like the environment to win the hearts and minds of the public over. Because, after all, how could anyone not want what's best for the environment? However, if people would take the time to look beyond what's presented to them and what they're automatically expected to believe, they would see things are far different than they're lead to believe.

Certainly there are things that can and should be done to help protect the environment. However, it's been shown time and time again that governments exploit the issue of environmental crisis to forward their own subversive agendas, which almost never have anything to do with what the average person is lead to believe.

 

How can there be a long lasting greenhouse effect when there are ozone layer holes.

I am a gardener, if my greenhouse was full of holes it wouldn't hold much heat...but then what do I know?

 

Rat as to Jesus, I think he lived. I think his philosophies were worthy of considering on an humanist plain. Was he immortal, probably not physically, but he has proven to be pretty enduring as far as mythic proportions. Have his teachings been misused for political and societal gain, most definitely. It's the nature of group mentality.

 

It would stand to reason, but your also looking at things on a totally different scale.

I honestly don't buy into the whole global warming thing... people ignore that the earth's poles are shifting, I guess too much co2 did that? Nah, probly George Bush - and Bill Clinton can fix it.

No matter whats causing things to get hotter, its certain that the environment is being used as a political tool...

 

You'll definitely want to watch this:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Jesus may or may not have lived, but he definitely didn't live as the bible says he did.

The movie "The Man From Earth" offers a compelling theory (although obviously not to be taken at face value).

There are much too many similarities between Jesus and other religions to say he existed as the bible says. Not to mention there is 0 historical record - while historians can look up some goat herder from that period.

Jesus not as a man, but the model human, is a great "teacher"... but when you say there was some dude 2000 years ago that performed miracles, with 0 historic record as such, your going into the realm of ET and your getting into swallowing down a load of bullshit.


If christians truly followed Jesus the world would be a very different place... as such he is used as a tool to control, not to inspire. Basically saying... be like Jesus, until its time for war.

 

It's definitely a tool!

 

Nice to know I am not the only one out there that has considered this premise.

It's promising that you are only 22 and you are looking at all the big questions.

 

Are you going to hug and makeout and leave the rest of this thread on topic now?

 

And just what do you see that topic as being...? Is it global warming with existing ozone holes? Is it an illumanti based on a mythical christian figure head? Where would you like to take the discussion?

 

How can you not question everything? After seeing one iota of corruption in church/state, does that not raise an eyebrow to all of their actions?

My generation has to be spoonfed everything, nobody cares enough to even ask questions in the first place. The great majority are simple minded with tunnel vision - aimed right at the TV. I can't even get to these people, as soon as I mention 9/11 and tower 7, they shut off and call me a lunatic. Jesus didn't exist, now I'm going to hell. Yes your vote means something, nah it doesn't - I'm gonna go eat a microwaved greaseburger that may have meat while you take care of that.

What can you do when someone is bending over taking it right up the poop chute... while smiling and playing Halo?

"you can't get rid of the income tax!"
"whats the federal reserve?"
"secretary of state? does she take notes for the president?"
"pass me another prozac I'm not happy enough"

Like a bunch of well trained zombies... I can't fathom what THEIR kids will be like...

 

nope

hugging and making out is much more fun than conspiracies spreading over thousands of years.

 

You can't take ANYTHING at face value, and that is probably done on purpose too. Keeps everybody confused, and the more confused everybody is, the easier they are to manipulate because it keeps them busy disagreeing among themselves... That is probably why we are STILL "allowed" to have the internet...

Of course, maybe NONE of it is done on purpose, and all this stupidity is just that.

I am absolutely convinced beyond all doubt that most of the "authority figures", those "official" ones and those behind the scenes as well, are seriously mentally ill. And since people who have similarities seek each other out, what we have after so many years of "political evolution" is a large collection of some of the most sick and evil people on the planet running things. And anyone who is actually FAMILIAR with mental illness knows that a very ill person can be ever so convincing... Google "anti-social personality disorder".....

 

I think they haven't reigned in the internet, because it supplies them with too much marketing information. They used to have do their own polls, now all they have to do is look at google ratings and prowl around forums.

 

Would someone find me that thing about the dollar bill and the triangles on it?

 

No, it supplies them with personal information with which to build personality profiles on every person.

They are going to reign in the internet and have talked openly about doing so, where it will come to the point when you won't be allowed to have your own website unless it's "approved" by the government. So they plan on doing away with the current internet in favor of a heavily-regulated, highly-taxed "internet 2," which will look nothing like the current internet in its access to information you might not find elsewhere.

The internet, like all technologies, was given to the public with a purpose. They knew it would be much easier to spy on people and monitor what the public is thinking. However, they are coming to realize that the internet is a double-edged sword and is also working against them, and now they feel it's necessary to take steps to thwart people's access to information that might pose a threat to their agenda.