Who here takes those extra precautions?

jeez, stop scaring me.

 

Simply, what are the most effective, and safest ways of helping insure safety, and alsso of properly contacting a vendor? (PM?)

 

I take some of them but not all of them. So only time will tell how that pans out

 

At the risk of sounding like a broken record:

1. Encrypt

A. Your computer, in case it is seized. Use Truecrypt with hidden OS, so you can give up a password if you live in a place where not cooperating is a serious crime (aka: a police state).

B. Your communications, in case the vendor you work with has his E-mail being watched, which honestly will likely happen at some point if he is a big vendor. Use GPG for this.

C. Other information, such as liberty reserve account numbers and details, PO box information, and, get ready for it, your drug names. Don't keep your drugs labeled with their chemical names, keep them in glass vials (or baggies) with a code word written on them. The code word should correspond with the chemical name on an encrypted text document on your computer, so you can make sure of what you are taking. If you get raided you don't want what you have spelled out for the authorities, especially for the rare analogs where they are quite honestly going to have a very hard time figuring out what the fuck it is unless it is spelled out for them. Keepass is good for information like this, so is GPG text blocks. Whatever you do, set up a separate truecrypt container (a container in the hidden OS) with a hidden section to keep the other encrypted information in.

2. Be anonymous online

A. Use WiFi if at all possible. Even if it is a neighbors WiFi that should be adequate unless you are a vendor (in which case you should use a new WiFi location every time you connect to check your E-mails, and you shouldn't use any one WiFi location for more than thirty minutes, although if you live in a small area it is safe enough to rotate a few different locations as long as you do so randomly). It is pretty easy to crack WEP encryption, it is far easier to find open WiFi. you can buy an antenna that can get a connection from over a mile away for around $100. WiFi isn't perfect anonymity but it helps tremendously, they will need to bust out directional antennas and do a live trace on you. It is best to rotate WiFi periodically for this reason, but even if you can only get one location from your house and don't feel like going to a coffee shop or whatever, it is better than not using WiFi.

B. Spoof your mac address if you are using WiFi. I can't think of any good programs for this but there are a ton of free ones for windows, in linux you can do it from the terminal. Mac address can't be traced back to you per-se but if your computer is seized and they have WiFi records of a device you used, they can tie the two together unless you spoof your Mac address.

C. Use an anonymity network. I suggest Tor over any other anonymity network by far. Jap is worthless it can be traced with a warrant to a central authority, Tor is distributed and volunteer run. Make sure you use SSL with Tor or you are at risk of having your traffic sniffed. Keep java, flash and javascript turned off when you need to be anonymous.


3. Be smart about payment

A. It is probably safe for most people to use WU to send their payments, if you do use an apartment complex with no number as your address and make up a fake name. For under $1,000 in USA you don't need an ID to send WU. Wear a hat and gloves!

B. If you need an ID to send WU and you can't get a fake ID (fake id = pure gold) then use WU with your real ID to buy LR or Pecunix from an exchanger. Set up an account with Tor and pull a name out of the white pages of another country. Bullshit the info and use a safe E-mail address (created with Tor), and store the info encrypted including keys and the identity you used. (NOTE: AS OF FIVE DAYS AGO IT SEEMS LR MIGHT BE BLOCKING TOR, PECUNIX IS STILL GOOD, HOPEFULLY A MIX SYSTEM WILL BE UP SOON FOR ANONYMOUS ECURRENCY). From the first bullshit account, load the money to a second bullshit account. If a vendor accepts WU you can now pay them by cashing out your LR to their details via an exchanger. You can also pay vendors that accept E-currency. The best bet for you is to find a friend in USA to buy LR with WU with no ID required, then buy it from them for CIM to a fake ID PO box (whoa acronym central).

C. Paying with greendot is pretty safe (Cashing out is another matter though). Make sure to wear gloves and a hat though, although gloves are not quite as important for greendot I would wear them anyways.

D. If a vendor has the steel balls required to take CIM directly from customers, make sure you wear gloves and you should use a fake return address even though that risks losing the money if it screws up in the mail. Send it tracked so you can tell if the vendor lied or the mail man sucks.


4. Be safe getting shipments:

A. Try your hardest to get a fake ID so you can set up a PO box. Some people pay bums or drifting junkies/squaters who have IDs to set up boxes for them (and some pay them to pick up packs as well) but imo thats fucked up and bad vibes + sketchy. Some people pay hookers too but imo thats sketchy (although both would prob be able to explain their way out of any charges, and neither would need to know your real info or where you live). Anyways I say bad juju don't do that. But, use a fake ID to set up a PO box wearing a hat and gloves. Try and get it at a 24/7 place and go for mom and pop places (shitty camera systems, less likely to photocopy your ID). If they do photocopy ID you can spray hairspray on the picture and it will be a low quality scan but way better to not have it scan at all, customers don't have a great deal to worry about on this one, but vendors could technically be busted by using a computer facial recognition algorithm to scan the DMV database of legitimate IDs for a face that matches up with the facial scan of the picture on the fake ID. Let packages sit for a period of time before picking them up. 24/7 Surveillance gets expensive fast; I would let analogs sit for three days, illegal shit that doesn't smell for dogs sit for a week, and anything dogs can smell I would let sit for two weeks at least probably. Stake the place out before you get your package: does anything look suspicious? Are there any people in the area that look like they might be cops? (shaved head sketches me out, most cops around here have low cut hair). If you get the pack late at night from a 24/7 place there should be no one around. Don't park in the parking lot either, park at least a half block away.

B. If you can't get a PO box, abandoned buildings are good. Fake name obviously (PO boxes you should send to the fake name on the fake ID)

C. If neither of the above two will work, get shit sent to a friends house (with a fake name) and have them keep it clean between shipments. When they get the pack they should write return to sender on it and NOT open it for at least a day.

D. ALL packs you get should NOT be signed for, you don't want to essentially admit you bought drugs with a signature because that WILL be used against you if it goes to court. If they ask you to sign for a drug pack, refuse, it could be a controlled delivery. Also, all packs should be tracked, and if they are held up for too long refuse delivery. If a pack is held in customs for more than two or three days I would refuse delivery if it was coming to me or a friend, if it was coming to a PO box or abandoned building I would wait a month + to pick it up. Domestic packs don't go through customs and wont hsow up as held. Oh yeah, ALWAYS use Tor when checking shipping, people HAVE been busted for checking shipping. There was a vendor busted that way, a "customer" said he was missing a pack, the vendor checked the tracking to see if it was delivered and they got his real IP and raided him shortly after. was a MOM (mail order MJ) vendor.


5. Be smart

A. Know your rights. If cops come, don't say SHIT except "I want to talk to my lawyer" (unless its illegal to do this where you live, I think most places you don't need to say shit with no lawyer though). Anything you can say can and WILL be held against you in a court of law: you can't talk your way out of shit, the investigators are going to lie to you and try to make cooperating look good but no matter what they say it is stupid to say ANYTHING to them other than "I want to talk to my lawyer".

B. Don't keep records or fake IDs on you. I know someone who got busted and he had a fake ID on him he had used to set up a storage center and they found the storage center with a shit load of drugs in it. If he didn't have the fake on him he would have been fine regarding that shit and would only have been busted with what he had on him. Receipts for your PO box: burn them and flush the ashes. Greendot cards: shred. WU forms: burn and flush. Shipping labels: burn and flush. You don't want a house full of evidence. IF you need some info stored transfer it to your computer, encrypt it and burn the actual paper.


that is pretty much the basic security precautions. People that use those techniques (Encryption, WiFi, Tor, E-currency, Fake ID PO Box) are highly unlikely to be busted ever.

 

Dude honestly I think thats way too paranoid, if anyone follows every single one of those things, thats like overboard... honestly.

 

That is absurdly complicated... I contacted vendor through my email, just asking for $$ and what not... What next if I come upon something Id like?

 

No, but they ask you for your name and company, just make a fake name and company - they dont check

 

i was gonna ask, is this really necessary for someone who orders 1g or less at a time? and only 3 or 4 times total. ever.

and do you wear latex gloves when you go to the post office etc? i would feel sketchy doin that.

i used a money order and email. and my real name
if i order again, i'll probably use a fake name (like replace my last name with a variation on my middle name?) but will my vendor notice this or care? since it's the same email and address? or get a different email? i have google mail.

 

They asked me for "item", amount, what country to be shipped to, and where I got the source.

I said,...something, and asked what all was avalible if they could tell me. I said atleast several grams, and asked what the minium order size was. I said the USA. And I finally responded, a friend sent me an encrypted message.

 

your all under arrest

 

you're jokin i hope.

 

u know this is a public forum, the cops could be reading every step u take and come up with ways to counter it... o.0

jiust saying

 

I think the cops have more dangerous drugs to be chasing after, and more dangerous people too. Why everyone be hatin on the hippies hahahaha.

 

Security by obscurity is flawed security. The simple fact of the matter is feds already know everything being done and they can't counter it yet. And when they get to the point when they can counter it, things will evolve as they have always done. A final article to scare you all =P:

Really my primary goal is to make people aware of the fact that "A coordinated, global response." IS going to happen, probably before 2009 is over, and the people who are left after it happens are going to be the people who take the most security precautions. I don't need to go on and on, I have put the information out there and y'all can do with it as you please =).

 

binary, i agree with what you're saying, but is it really necessary for me? i've ordered 250 mg one time. i might order once or twice more (small amounts). i know it seems stupid to not want to protect yourself as much as you can, but first of all, i'm very computer illiterate, so i kinda doubt that i could figure out Tor and GPG and encryption and all that other stuff you talk about that sounds like jibberish to me.

also i feel like if they ever found records or whatnot, there would be tons of people that have ordered many more times, much larger amounts. but i see your point that if i'm the lowest hanging fruit, i'll get eaten first, even if i'm small.

so what are the easy, minimal things i should do to be safe?

order with a fake name next time?
get a diff email account? which type?
wear gloves? i don't see how you can do this at the bank (where i get my money order)

 

Heh, this topic is funny.

The people who think they're too 'small time' to get raided will be the first to go.

 

^ yeah porkstock I hear what you're saying. My only interest is small, personal purchases of analogs. And although I wouldn't say I'm computer illeterate, doing some of the things binary mentioned seems to be way over my head at the moment. I just want to protect myself the best I can.

And yeah wearing gloves in the middle of summer looks suspicious to me. If you roll in a store with gloves and a hat in 80 degree weather I feel like you'll bring attention to yourself...

 

Some people say liquid bandaid works but I don't know as I have never tried it. You can paint it on your fingers but I would test it where I live it is pretty cold almost always so I have never had to deal with the looking like a sketch bag aspect of gloves and a hat. Tape on two fingers can be used too if you are really careful with how you touch stuff. I guess they make tight fitting flesh colored gloves for burn victims that would be difficult to notice, and even in hot weather a cap can look normal. I hear grapefruit juice temporarily destroys the fingerprint residue and makes it less likely for a print to be left but that is another hear-say thing I don't know how much I would trust it. I am sure there are creative ways to not leave prints with no gloves and a good deal of care, liquid band aid on fingertips is something I hear a lot but again I have never tested it. Maybe get a junior detective kit they sell for little kids, put liquid band-aid on your finger tips, touch a clean mirror and then try and draw a print off it.

 

Binary shadow, do you live in alaska or the like? And also are you a computer engineer or something similar by any chance?

 

Simple enough:

• Public WiFi geographically displaced and random from home
• Tor
• GPG where possible
• Elmers water-based on the fingers for WU
• Typically use 2-tiered Pecunix

It simply costs too much money to pursue unless you're the bloke moving volume. Don't be that guy.

Anonymity is really just for the sake of not having my thoughts linked to my person. If something of questionable origin or purpose arrives at my door with LE in tow, (a) it's going to be a very small qty and (b) I have not a clue what it is. Lets see... ordered some chemicals to help clear my wine... Then there was other stuff that supposed to help stretch the lacquer for my new dining room set... Nope, most be a mistake.

Anyone who persists they're coming to take you away has performed too many experiments, is ordering too much at a time or is a vendor who has not taken appropriate steps.

Please be safe. These tools are nothing more that that. However, they can grow teeth and will tear you to bits. If you experiment out of boredom or to fill any other void, I can give you a list a mile long of alternatives. Take care of yourselves because all trips do end... including life.