Who said schizophrenia isn't like LSD?

Discussion in 'Psychedelics' started by sheepie, Jul 14, 2011.

  1. !!oqia97Qkr6l

    !!oqia97Qkr6l Member

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    The absence of emotion and presentation of facts is not the source of any interpreted hostility (though written communication inherently possesses little connotation), but rather through the apparent sarcasm and seeming condescension.
    Nonetheless, if you tell me you're calm, I believe you.
    But now, forgive me if I'm being intrusive (damned curiosity), how do you think you would fare with your psychosis now? I'm not saying you ought to, at all, but I'm very interested because of my own experience and thoughts on schizophrenia.
    My personal thought system is based around the tenets of logic and reality (likely due to the schism between my perception and the "normal"). This has led me to much thought, concluding that schizophrenia (while still being classified as a malfunction) is simply another model of perception, and is subject to influence and even construction, in reaction to one's self.
     
  2. etkearne

    etkearne Resident Pharmacologist

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    Again, you are reading to far into what I write. Any condescension is not my intention. I simply write in a cold manner. My apologies that you misread such posting.

    As to your reasonable query, I think that if my psychoses were to reappear full strength, I would certainly be shocked, but i also would quickly shift my Zyprexa dose from the current 7.5 mg to 20 mg, which I have taken for emergency in the past. I have learned that going under medicated is harmful and does nothing good, so I this time, I would not hesitate. I am sure it wouldn't be a 'nice' and 'happy' chain of events, but I would use my team (my parents and psychiatrist) to help me. Those people don't force me to take meds nor do they threaten me with hospitalization. They simply let me in on what REALLY is happening.

    I don't know why you claim that you base your tenants on logic and imply that I do not. Heck, my CAREER is based soley on logic. I AM a research graduate student in theoretical mathematics! I am on the same boat as you are!
     
  3. etkearne

    etkearne Resident Pharmacologist

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    I hope you don't shy away from conversing with me. I think we both gain a lot by openly discussing these things. I also think that we share more in common than you may think.

    I DO place a lot of value into the power of psycho-social adaptations in addition to pharmacologic adaptations. I just haven't described them in detail because the thread is about comparing drugs to mental illness.

    I will try to be more 'palatable' in the future.
     
  4. guerillabedlam

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    Yah but the vast majority of people who take acid realize they are on a drug, also bad trips do happen with acid and psychedelics. Just imagine if you are having those things happen to you with no warning, just out of the blue you lose focus and start having delusional thinking, trying to decipher where reality lies.

    I think schizoaffective is pretty damn close to psychedelic type thought patterns, I've read and heard similarities to disassociatives but I find very little in common with disassociatives and when I experienced a schizoaffective break.
     
  5. TheMistress

    TheMistress Senior Member

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    but in the end whats the point of this thread? what does it matter if LSD mimicks the effects of schizophrenia? (aside from the potential usefulness to schizophrenia researches... but we arent researchers).
     
  6. !!oqia97Qkr6l

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    etkearne, I was only commenting on the previous misunderstanding. I also did not intend to suggest that your thought system was not logical, as it seems to me that you and I are indeed very similar. So since we are both in agreement that our words do not reflect anything deeper than the superficial, I suggest from now on, we both only read the exact words. :) Haha. I am surely not deferring further conversation.

    You're right that this thread is about the comparison between psychedelic drug use and schizophrenia. However, it seems, as it does so often, that it was derailed; I've not really been discussing this at all. On topic, I believe my intial post in this thread pretty much sums up my thoughts (namely, that deliriants mimic schizophrenia, generally; though I do agree that the drugs described by etkearne are the most accurate mimicry.)

    Finally, your plan of action for dealing with the return of psychosis is practical; but I am more interested in a theoretical discussion regarding your reaction to psychosis without the aid of antipsychotics, due to the effects of psychadelics. I will create a new thread in fact.
     
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