Whoever reads this post..do me a favor..

It can exist. Just because God knows our choices ahead of time does not mean we do not make our own choices. We make our own choices, but he knows what we will do.

 

Just because God KNEW you were going to have breakfast does not mean he FORCED you. BIG difference. God knows our CHOICES, however He does not make them for us!

 

If the Bible is just an interpretation of God through men. How come the Bible predicts future events in detail with 100% accuracy. Mere men cannot predict the future in this kind of detail. Only God can. That is why I stick by my faith that the Bible WAS INPSIRED BY GOD.

Look up Ezekiel 36:24 and then watch the world news. 2500 years later the Bible is as accurate as ever. And you know what you will never hear anything about this at church. And you will hear everything against it in the media. So pick your poison OR do the research yourself!

The truth is out there but your church, your school, or the media won't help you find it.

 

What am I invisible here? I came with that.

 

any examples?

well done then

 

You mean this?

Are you serious?

 

Yes, the first sentance is what's most important.

 

I'm afraid your logic is flawed. If the future has already been foreseen, it means that the future is predetermined. If the future is predetermined, then I'm afraid we have no free will, since our actions, even the smallest and most insignificant ones we take, have already been determined. They MUST come to pass, since they have been foreseen to come to pass. There is no "choice" in the matter.

By "knowing" our choices, god has already "made" them for us. It's really very simple. Free will and omniscience are mutually exclusive.

Therefore, there are four possibilities:
1) An omniscient god exists, and as such we do not have free will.
2) A god exists, but does not possess omniscience. We may then conclude that we DO possess free will.
3) No god exists, and therefore we have free will.
4) Everything is irrational, even logic. We know nothing and cannot know anything at all. Basically, the global skepticism argument (although the global skepticism argument breaks down at the end, so it's kinda a moot point).

Take your pick, all of them are equally absurd and impossible to prove. Pick whichever one makes you sleep better at night I guess...

Who cares anyway? It's not like knowing whether or not we have free will will put food on the table (obligatory practical standpoint )

 

None of the above...

I do not agree with you that since God knows our choices that everything is predetermined by Him.

Say you are going to have a nice sea food dinner tomorrow. God knows you will have it, but he did not choose that for your meal... you did.

 

Therefore you are a god with freewill. Thanks for stating that so I didn't have to.

 

Let me say it again:
By knowing what I am going to have for dinner, god has determined my future. By determining my future, god has elimiated any form of free will. It really is very simple. I'm not sure why you're having trouble understanding it...

I'll analyze your argument though:
If I was the one that had the free will to chose something that god already knew would happen (having the seafood dinner), it would mean that my choice, my will, existed prior to god's. This would mean that god's omniscience would be derived from the human will. In other words, god would be derived from human thought, not the other way around. If that is the case, then that would mean that we, the "children" of god, fathered god itself. This is also logically absurd...

Ah well, you can agree, disagree, or be completely indifferent to my logic. It makes no difference to me, since the only reason I'm arguing this is to improve my argumentative skills and my logical reasoning. I have a tendency to be increadibly scatterbrained, and participating in logical arguments helps me to overcome that

Chose faith over logic, chose logic over faith, the choice is yours to make (or not, depending on whether or not free will really exists ).

 

That's like me saying the sun is going to continue to rise, and then a thousand years later, when the sun continues to rise, crediting me with infinite wisdom of the future.