Who's your presidential pick?

What do you know about these nefarious boogeymen other than what the media has told you?

 

No I am not a Bush supporter, never have been. The difference in what I just said and what Bush did, in reality, is that when we invaded Iraq, we were sidestepping our real threat to bully around a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. My quote is to state that if there was concievable evidence (scratch that, PROOF) that any of those threats were in such country, that I would support going after them.

The trouble is, in the case of iraq, and surely any other country we invade, our troops ultimately kill innocents and civilians, sometimes due to military error in intelligence, and sometimes due to weak leadership. I wish we had never invaded in the first place, all the lives already lost, ON BOTH SIDES were all for naught. Give it another 10 years, and I guarantee not a damn thing will have been accomplished.

 

Then you'd go after the US government, too???

 

It's more a rich tapestry of bullshit then a puzzle. I'm not sure why you can't discuss anything political without it running off into a vague tangent of paranoia.

 

Anyway, what is the sound of one hand clapping?

 

chirp chirp chiparoo?

 

But who's being paranoid here? How is critically examining the evidence paranoid? Are you saying Israel plays no role in the "War on Terror"?

 

That's a start. But I see no acknowledgement of the fact that the military-industrial complex needs to manufacture threats to subsist.

Hence, Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, etc.

 

It isn't.

 

i'm more afraid of stray bullets from "gangsters" who can't hold a pistol correctly

 

Matt, in what form are you more informed of the details of this war than I am? As far as I am concerned, we are all in the dark to what the government (US and otherwise) chooses to hide from us.

I am still sick over Bush's line of thinking from years past that you were either "with him" or a terrorist. It's all a bunch of bullshit. We have lost so much money on this war over the last 8 years, and meanwhile our home economy is near bottom. If we had even HALF of those wardollars back now, it would be well enough to bump up the market slightly. But there are more troubles than that, I am well aware. But above all else, as long as there is an ALMIGHTY WAR TO FIGHT AND PEOPLE TO KILL, TO HELL WITH AMERICA. (sarcasm, clearly.) Our executive government body is more concerned these days with the operation and handlings of other countries than it's own. It's sad.

 

We call 'em wankstas fitz.

 

Could it be we're overestimating the role of one man, Bin Laden? In a power struggle which is systemic?

Could it be violating international borders in search of one man is a bit paranoic in itself?

 

man, i need to catch up with the lingo...too much time in VT

 

Yes! And the evidence proves beyond all shadow of a doubt that these are MANUFACTURED BOOGEYMEN we are dealing with.

It's not a "conspiracy theory" just because the media doesn't talk about it. Most people think "well, if Tom Brokaw hasn't mentioned it, well then it just can't be true."

I have no problem with people like "Lode" calling me a conspiracy theorist and implying that I'm an anti-Semite. But I wonder how much research Lode has actually done into the genesis of organizations like al-Qaeda and people like Osama bin Laden, who has long been a CIA asset and whose familiy is in bed with the Bushes.

 

Me too. Lets get those hoodz some arms classes so they can bust a cap straight.

 

One could make the point that the act of finding or killing Bin Laden is as much about the message.

 

My research is more extensive then reading talking points from prisonplanet.

 

Bush has stated numerous times that catching bin Laden isn't a priority to him. Pretty surprising considering "he" (so they say) committed the worst terrorist act in US history.

But even if they were able to find and kill OBL (which would not be a hard task), what would that achieve?

Most evidence points to bin Laden being long dead, and this was even admitted in an interview with Bhutto before she was assassinated.

 

I don't disagree on this Matt, and I generally disregard 9/10s of what the media dishes out, but truth be told, I never claimed the US' hands were clean in all these dealings, particularly Bush and Cheney. I'm sure anyone breathing is aware by now of the payoff they are due to recieve as they step out of office, from their oil holdings.

On that note however, the US in general is not to blame for the actions of a few illfitted "leaders," despite that, America is being harmed a great deal BECAUSE of it's current administration, and that goes outside the war itself, but the backhanded dealings of the oil industry and those benefitting.