Why are americans so over patriotic when there country is governed by a war criminal.

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  1. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    that's not true either

    you know nothing about America.

    the law he was referring to is three FELONIES
    not crimes in general
     
  2. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    THEY ARE KILLERS (and in many cases quite brutal ones)

    turn their lives around, please
    they don't deserve the chance


    I support the death penalty, but I do agree that the system need reformed

    DNA evidence, confession, and maybe a few other things, that prove undeniably that the person commited murder (not manslaughter, murder) should equal a death sentence (one appeal at max.)
     
  3. The Reverend

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    Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree... People are capable of change... Have some faith in humanity... Sure, some people are evil fkers but you can change your ways. We abolished the death penalty here in 1964 as we felt it was cruel, inhumane and something which a government should have no right to do. Still stand by that 43 years on...

    And Trip to Eclipse I'm afraid I'm with the yanks on this one... I can bash the states as much as anyone and I disagree with much of the country and what it stands for but get your own house in order before you start criticising your neighbour's ;) Bush bashing is soooo 2005 ;)
     
  4. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Anywhere on this Earth where human beings reside, no matter if you have the luxuries and over consumption of America, the collective spiritual knowledge of India, whatever it is, people are all desiring one thing = happiness.
    And nobody seems to have the answer on how to achieve perfect, eternal happiness. We all go about finding it in our own ways, through our own mediums and means, but if you see only the simple, external layer of the social structure of a country and say : "This is different from that.." you are truly blind.
    We are all the same.
     
  5. sHIP of fools

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    America, in principle, is a great country. We stand for freedom and liberty and what not. If only we practiced what we preached. Also- i can love my country, but hate the dude in charge...you don't need to hate on your country just cause the prez. is a fool.
     
  6. Duck

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    I dont' disagree that people can change in anyway
    I just don't think murderers can really ever ammend for what they have done

    maybe it should be left for the family of the murdered to decide or soemthing like that, after all, this is suppossed to be a democracy
     
  7. Duck

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    *claps*
     
  8. TRIP TO ECLIPSE

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    What would a fellonie constitute i know it isnt just murder.It would probally include petty theft such as shoplifting.Iwill look in to this matter later.As for america not executing mentally ill people and children anymore i know for a fact my source was a report on bbc news 24 about this backward practice.If someone had the mental age of a five year old would you fry them in a chair.There in a adults body but there mentally five years old Would you agree with frying a five year old child to death i think not anyone who would agree with that would have to be one real sicko not fit to walk the earth.
     
  9. Duck

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    depends on the state, which is retarded, cause it's suppossed to translate to 'federal crime'
     
  10. TRIP TO ECLIPSE

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    Dont get me wrong i could bash britain just as hard as america but we do have far better human rights.Anyway is anyone gonna tell me what taxes you have to pay just want to see if your taxed to fuck like in the uk.Itell you one thing that is totally fucked up in the uk which you americans would think is crazy you have to have a tv licence this side of the pond and you cant fish in britain without a fishing licence the fishing balliffs have to wear stab proof vests.
     
  11. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    You cant fish here without a licence either.
     
  12. Duck

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    we need fishing licenses too
    we have small sales tax depending on the state/county (7% for me)
    we have income tax, which takes a nice chunk outta our paychecks
    and then we have homeowner's taxes
     
  13. sourdiesel06

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    Excuse me? If you can show me a single instance of a child being executed in the US, I will move to Canada.

    You asked why Americans are patriotic and here's why. Right now we are a country at war, but if it weren't for the media, there would be nothing to clue me in to that reality. This is only possible because we are somewhat aggressive when it comes to foreign affairs. Sure, it's not the best thing but it shows the government cares about its people, which is more than can be said for many of the European nations who have chosen to ignore a very real threat. Even I don't support the war in Iraq and think it was a terrible mistake (I don't think there is a single person who doesn't see the war in Iraq as a mistake, even in our own government), but any government that woudn't back the war in Afganistan is spineless. Which brings me to my next point. If Bush is a war criminal, what does that make Tony Blair? A war criminal's bitch.

    Also, I am proud of the fact that our country began with a constitution that was years ahead of its time and the fact that it is continuously changing to adapt to an ever changing world. I love the fact that there are numerous television/radio shows that are 100% dedicated to mocking our government. I like the fact that after Europe crapped out on my ancestors, America gave them the better life that they were looking for.

    There's a reason why there are so many more people immigrating to the United States than there are leaving the country. It's because America really is a great country. Sure it has its problems, but I love my country and if you think I should be anything other than patriotic then you can go fuck yourself.
     
  14. sourdiesel06

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    No one on here is going to be able to give you a complete rundown of either country's taxes. That's why some people make careers out of sorting through other people's taxes. One thing that I CAN tell you for sure though, is that if your country has socialized health care, you can be sure that you pay for it out the ass when it comes time to pay your taxes. And another thing, since you stated that you think socialized health care is the only way to go. Government provided services are notorious for valuing nothing other than efficiency. The result of which is lower quality care when it comes to health services. You point out that everyone gets the same care, but it's equally important to recognize the fact that everyone receives equally mediocre care.
     
  15. TRIP TO ECLIPSE

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    Number one you truly believe that iraq was a threat to the us you are clearly brain washed by your media.Your media is so biased it is unbelivable ihave seen your media freedom of information what a joke can you please enlighten me to how iraq was a threat to america the whole war is driven by corporate greed it is a oil war plain and simple.Your neo conservative goverment of psychopathic warped thugs went into iraq thinking they could go in over throw saddam hussein and put in some complient puppet goverment.Please explain how saddam hussein was a threat to the us where are these mysterious weapons of mass destruction they never existed your goverment admitted it.The intelligence service in the us may be a lot of things but there certainly not stupid.You were lied to it was used as a thin excuse for the oil war.Even if they did have these so called wmds which the us sold to saddam in the 1980s when saddam and the iraq regime were there best buddies Because it suited american interest they were at war with iran at the time iraq still commiting human rights violations so please no one make me laugh and tell me it was a humanitarian war there are plenty of dictators in this world on the same level as saddam.Such as the burmese regime zimbabwe north korea and many more.They wouldnt have the capabillity to deliver these weapons to american soil in the first place.Do you seriously belive they could deliver a strike from iraq to america please do you no how many miles that is what a joke the saddest thing is loads of these morons in america belived this.Only the real hardcore morons and i mean knuckle dragging retards believed this in the uk.One million people in the uk marched on the capital in london britains population is 60 million by the way nearly everyone in the uk was against the war in iraq a lot of people in the uk view tony blair as a war criminal.And as for being george bushes bitch he is commonly refered to by people and the media as george bushes poodle he is an imbarresment to the uk.Ihope he dies a death similar to that which he has inflicted on the people of iraq And also if your goverment is so concerned by your safety why have they just gone an fought an illegal war the un said it was illegal obviously this has made america a lot less safe as it is obviously going to inflame arlready flared tempers across the muslim world.There was no terroist threat to the uk untill that lowlife scumbag blair stood shoulder to shoulder with that other thick piece of shit bush now thanks to his idiocy we are a terroist target.
     
  16. Duck

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    the media (in general) does not support the war at all...
     
  17. TRIP TO ECLIPSE

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    Also why are americans obsessed with guns a lot of people outside of america believe it is some sort of small cock syndrome
     
  18. RELAYER

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    Did you ever stop to think about how BIG america is?
    And how many different people there are here?
    Why would you generalize like this.
    A lot of people, in a lot of countries, are obsessed with guns.
    People are people no matter where you go my friend.
     
  19. soaringeagle

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    why are brits so obsessed with theyre queen alot of people outside uk think its a desire to be transvestites

    1 idiotic generality desserves another
     
  20. TRIP TO ECLIPSE

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    Yeah i would agree that comment was more of a joke than a serious observation after i wrote it i went to delete it.But on a serious note you have got people with this type of syndrome in certain states.There is no way you need a anti tank gun for self protection.Even that right wing nutter george bush tried to get i forget the name of the law i think assault rifles act overturned But the nra were such powerful supporters of the republicans he bottled out
     

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