Why are Christians such homophobes?

You're the one who claims that the Bible is fairly straightforward in condemning homosexuals (and probably lots of other groups who lead different lives than you do). If you're willing to allow a more liberal interpretation for "pluck out thine eye" or "keep your sword in bloodshed," why not allow homosexuals the same leeway with biblical passages?

The passage I quoted from the Real Live Preacher blog already addressed each verse in which the Bible supposedly condemns homosexuality. You did not respond to it yet.

That is not what I said at all. There was simply no concept of sexual orientation at the time. Remember, the New Testament was written during the dawn of the Roman Empire; a society that was very liberal about sex (at least for men). However, even in ancient Rome there was no concept of "gay" or "straight." Sex was sex regardless of the genders of the individuals involved, and relationships (at least those that people knew about) were only between men and women. The idea of romantic relationships between two men or two women was probably completely alien to St. Paul and the other authors of the New Testament, and so it isn't surprising that they had nothing to say about it.

LOL. So it's OK for you to oppose your god because you're fighting for your faith, but if anyone else does it, then they're despicable in God's eyes? Interesting concept. However, I doubt that Jesus was as egotistical as you seem to be.

I already mentioned this verse in a previous post and explained that "homosexual offenders" is the crude English translation for a Latin phrase that meant "man who solicits a male prostitute." So yes, the Bible appears to condemn male prostitution (for both the buyer and seller), but that is a quite a distance from condemning all homosexuals.

Ah, the bigot's classic response... "I don't hate X, I have lots of friends who are X, I just don't want any X's to have the same rights that I do."

Then why would you deny them the right to express their love via marriage? Why would you condemn their actions (if not the people themselves) when you aren't free of sin yourself?


Perhaps more Christians should actually start asking the question "What would Jesus do?" instead of just sticking the bumper sticker on their SUVs. I don't claim to know what Jesus would do in every situation, but one thing I'm pretty sure he wouldn't do is go around condemning homosexuals, as the issue was so unimportant he never once spoke about it.

 

Yes, I said the Bible condemns homosexuals, however, I am not standing outside with paper on a stick, protesting the rights of homosexuality.

Speculations have been made about homosexual Roman soldiers, but again, no one really knows because we weren't there. If it was written in the Bible, it must have a meaning.

How am I opposing God when the faith I am fighting for is the faith in him?
LOL... yeah, I love it when people think that because you have faith in God, you have an ego. Being a Christian isn't easy. It's a battle ("Take up your cross daily", "fight the good fight of faith"). You have to be strong to be a Christian because everyone always wants to come against you. Actually, I think that back then some people would probably say that Jesus had an ego. They did persecute him for saying the he was the son of God.

Bigot? ahh, again with the labeling I see. I don't sit down with my friends and say, "You evil heathens, you are going to hell". So again, please show me where I personally condmned another for being homosexual. They know where I stand on the issue, and I know where they stand on the issue. If someone wants to practice homosexuality, that is their choice. Unless it is rape or abuse going on behind a bedroom door, it's not on my top priority list of religious concerns. What someone chooses sexually is between them, their partner, and God, not me. However, if I don't agree with something, and I make mention of it, I have the right to do so, just as anyone has the right to speak their mind. You don't know me, so please don't label me, thanks.

Perhaps you should take your own advice. Maybe instead of worrying about what certain Christians are worrying about, you should worry about yourself instead. No one said they claimed to know what Jesus would have said in every single situation. However, if it's written in the Bible what not to do, then I am going to make every effort to avoid doing it. And I will use scriptural references to back up my points.

 

Your welcome Ephipany, i can already see its pointless to try to make this guy see any of our points.. i really dont think he believes in Jesus at all or he wouldnt be critizizing what he thinks the bible says and dont say
the way i see it is if a man who once was a athiest done research on the bible to see if it was true and never could find a part of it that wasnt true...then to me everyone should believe in it but my opinion in this topic wont help anything ...but after all it was you that asked a question pointed at "US" christians right?? well we answered them for you.Im not going to push my religion on you at all.but if yuo dont believe...then why the big fuss about what we believe?? you dont see us asking the paegans what they think and why what how when?? or for that matter any religion..... i hope one day you do turn your hear to accept Jesus as you saviour........what you think is what you think..thats you right to express and theres nothing wrong with that .....But you blaming the workds problems on christians is not likely at all ....but what ever you see one day when it happens if the world keeps on its goign to lead to anarchy....and its not gonna be because of christians...

 

You are correct that I am not a Christian. However, it seems to me that most atheists and agnostics are more tolerant than most Christian fundamentalists (at least those like Falwell, Robertson, Phelps, etc), and therefore do a better job following the teachings of Jesus than do the vast majority of Christians.

The Bible is riddled with logical inconsistencies, historical errors, and scientific impossibilities. I'd be happy to cite a few if you'd like. If you can't find any parts of it that aren't true, you either aren't looking very hard or you are so biased that you'll never admit to any errors regardless of overwhelming evidence.

Because homophobic beliefs HARM a group of people. I don't really care whether or not Christians believe in, say, infant baptism because it's a theological issue that doesn't affect me as a non-Christian. Homophobia, on the other hand, affects society very much in a negative way.

I'm not blaming this on all Christians. In fact, Christianity has had a very positive impact on a number of great leaders (Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King). I'm talking specifically about groups of bigots like the Christian Coalition, the 700 Club, and some of the posters on this thread.

 

I have to laugh. All of the forums I go to and have been to there is usually a section for Christians. Sadly 90+% of the threads are started by people who are not Christians. This makes me wonder: A) How secure are they in thier own beliefs, B) Why are non-Christians so obcessed with Christians? Why did the starter of this thread think that they should call Christians to the carpet for thier religious beliefs? Why should the beliefs of Christians offend non-Christians?
I wonder, why is there so much hatred towards Christians? I don't see these same people challengeing Jewish beliefs or Islamic beliefs. Why is this, non-Christians? Is it that you are programed to hate Christians and accept all others? You are a strange breed of people. You are anti-God as long as the word Christian is attached.

 

I'm not calling them on their religious beliefs. I'm calling them on the fact that they're discriminatory attitude toward homosexuals is bad for society.

If conservative Jewish beliefs or Islamic beliefs dominated my society (the United States), I'm sure I'd take issue with their homophobic positions more frequently. But they don't, so I don't think it's unfair to argue against homophobia from the Christian perspective.

 

abbadabba: I do not mean to, but do not care if I do, insult you. You say this:
"If conservative Jewish beliefs or Islamic beliefs dominated my society (the United States), I'm sure I'd take issue with their homophobic positions more frequently. But they don't, so I don't think it's unfair to argue against homophobia from the Christian perspective."
And this shows me that you do not know who is controling your "society", ("your" being an abstact word here as it is not "your" society. Some say it is "our society").
Let me ask you this: What is YOUR obsession with homosexuallity? Bluntly, you say that Christians should not be concerned with men shoving thier dicks up the hairy shitholes of other men. Why not? It is our religious and moral beliefs that men do not ass fuck men; they do not suck peckers; they do not marry. These things in our eyes, and in the eyes of our God are WRONG. Should we approve them then we are saying to our GOD that we love the things and the acts of this world above Him.

"I'm not calling them on their religious beliefs. I'm calling them on the fact that they're discriminatory attitude toward homosexuals is bad for society." - More from you.
Show, don't discrimatorialy dictate, how opposition to homosexuality is "bad for society".
Every forum, on every site has an individual like you; One who has no origanal thought, but sees Christians as easy marks to pick on. WELL, HELLO, and ABRACADABRA - I am not your usual "Christian"! I am like the Jesus who took a whip to the money changers in the Temples: I am here to kick some ass! You want to curse or argue against MY GOD, and MY SAVIOR? Then find a way to come through me. Curse my God and I promise you HIS wrath! Pray to your Buddah or whomever you want to, but let me assure you, when you offend the only GOD, then you wreck havoc upon your own soul!
Be sweet and gentle unto your faggot brethern, but always remember the doubt and the guilt you feel does not come from your conscionce, but from your soul.

 

I am tired of getting picked on for being a Christian, especially when I don't pick on anyone else!! Why in the world do people assume that all Christians are alike, anyway? That goes for generations too, why do people assume that today's generation of Christians are anything like yesterday's generation of Christians? Yesterdays generation might have been homophobes, but I'm pretty sure that todays generation for the most part aren't, and it continues to improve. So where does anyone get off saying that Christians are homophobes, anyway? How about you let go of the stereotypes and actually sit down and get to know a decent Christian?

 

I hade to make this in a couple of posts. Apparently 16,678 characters is to long. Please read it all and soak it all in before replying. Thankyou


Hello there,

Let me start off by saying that I am not perfect. I do not view myself as better than anyone here or elsewhere. I will not condem you for your beliefs, and I would ask that you return the favor. Now, let's begin from the begining.

 

Part 2

Was it not you that put down those that use parts of The Bible for their own use and threw out the rest? And you want to call me a hypocrite? Ok sir, I'll play along. You skipped some vital parts, I'll fill them in.
Numbers 31:1-20
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people."
3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel." 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.
7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba-the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [1]
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
19 "All of you who have killed anyone or touched anyone who was killed must stay outside the camp seven days. On the third and seventh days you must purify yourselves and your captives. 20 Purify every garment as well as everything made of leather, goat hair or wood."


Hrmmm, what might be going on there? Is it a war? Shall I continue?



Ezekiel 9:1-11

Idolaters Killed

1 Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, "Bring the guards of the city here, each with a weapon in his hand." 2 And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."
5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
7 Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout the city. 8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, "Ah, Sovereign LORD ! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?"
9 He answered me, "The sin of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice. They say, 'The LORD has forsaken the land; the LORD does not see.' 10 So I will not look on them with pity or spare them, but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done."
11 Then the man in linen with the writing kit at his side brought back word, saying, "I have done as you commanded."


Are you learning anything yet? More you ask?



Deuteronomy 20:1-20

1 When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them, because the LORD your God, who brought you up out of Egypt, will be with you. 2 When you are about to go into battle, the priest shall come forward and address the army. 3 He shall say: "Hear, O Israel, today you are going into battle against your enemies. Do not be fainthearted or afraid; do not be terrified or give way to panic before them. 4 For the LORD your God is the one who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies to give you victory."
5 The officers shall say to the army: "Has anyone built a new house and not dedicated it? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else may dedicate it. 6 Has anyone planted a vineyard and not begun to enjoy it? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else enjoy it. 7 Has anyone become pledged to a woman and not married her? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else marry her." 8 Then the officers shall add, "Is any man afraid or fainthearted? Let him go home so that his brothers will not become disheartened too." 9 When the officers have finished speaking to the army, they shall appoint commanders over it.
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy [1] them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God.
19 When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees of the field people, that you should besiege them? [2] 20 However, you may cut down trees that you know are not fruit trees and use them to build siege works until the city at war with you falls.


Hrmm, directions to the Israelites on how to deal with those that would take away and pervert what God has given them. Wow, that kinda fits with todays ordeals involving Israel and Pakistan. I will stop with those, but just to let you know, the rest of the parts you so effortlessly "burned" in your "fire" explained it all.

I never condemned a homosexual either. Just homosexuality.

9/11?



Lastly, I make a reply to Warrior. Please pray before you post. Ask God for the wisom and clearity and love that he will give you. Ask him to guide you in your posts. Your use of foul language and hostility in this post is sad. This is the kind of attitude that non Christains see and hold against us.


In closing, I do not fear homosexuals. I do not deny the ability for one man to love another, nor one woman to love another. My close friend, whom I have known for years and years is a male that I love. I love him with all my heart, and would just as easily die for him as I would my son. The thing that I do not like is the act of homosexuality in itself. Just like lieing, cheating, killing, stealing, I do not like these. However, I will continue to show brotherly love and compassion for a human. I just refuse to accept the sin. Just as you are tired of us as Christains "forcing" our views and lifestyles on you, we are tired of homosexuals attempting to force their lifestyle on us. Sadly today marriage is no longer a bond between a man and woman before God. For a lot of people marriage is a "if I feel like doing it I'm going to do it" type thing. Will I vote to allow homosexuals the right to be married? No I wont. Do I think it matters in the end? No I don't. This is all predicted in The Bible that you so want to discredit. In the end, you will see.

 

All I have to say in response to Real American's post is: Amen to that!!!

 

From Real American: "Lastly, I make a reply to Warrior. Please pray before you post. Ask God for the wisom and clearity and love that he will give you. Ask him to guide you in your posts. Your use of foul language and hostility in this post is sad. This is the kind of attitude that non Christains see and hold against us."

I appreciate your scorn. You said to me things that I am sure God Himself guided you in saying. But God also tells me that the end is near and to speak loudly and in the ways of the people, in thier tongues, for this is what they will understand. I am blessed, for God Himself guides my hand. I pray to God, not only before I "speek" but as I speek. And He tells me that you will know by these words why I am as I am. My name is "WARRIOR", I fight for God. I am the mercenary among His people. I am typing only what He says I should. Others who will not understand are at this moment lost, but you are not, you know who I am. I chill as I write. You know me. You know we have a reason "under Gods Heaven".

 

Oh does it now? I'd say that Christian thought dominates the United States a hell of a lot more than Judaism or Islam. Or are you also one of those anti-semitic conspiracy theorists in addition to being a homophobe?

What kind of Christian would use such filthy language?

In the same way that racism and sexism are bad for society. They harm minorities by denying them equal rights.

Ah, I see. It's wrong for two men or two women to love each other, but it's OK for Christians to use filthy language and compare themselves to Jesus. Makes perfect sense to me.

I apologize, Bree. I didn't mean to imply that ALL Christians were homophobes. However, while the situation may be improving, a quick look at this thread will clearly show that homophobia is alive and well among Christians.

It's not "harm" if both participants are willing.

Again, that's not a good argument against every single homosexual relationship in the world. It is, however, a fairly good argument for monogamous relationships or at the very least for responsible sex.

Unless I am mistaken, we have separation of church and state in this country. Your bigoted opinion of what God wants is hardly relevant to the legal status of homosexual relationships. If our government wishes to deny gays the right to marry or to only grant them civil unions, then it should deny heterosexuals the right to marry or only grant them civil unions as well. I think a better solution is to allow anyone to marry who wants to, regardless of their sexual orientation. It doesn't mean your church has to allow it, just that the government does.

No. I'm not a Christian or a theist, so I don't claim to know what God is thinking. I'm simply refuting points from a biblical perspective, since I did start this thread on a Christian forum.

Umm, that's a bit different. There's plenty of tangible evidence that the Civil War happened. There's very little (no?) evidence that anything in the Bible is the word of God. However, that's a separate debate, and I have no problem with anyone who believes that it is as long as they don't use that belief to harm others.

No. I'm an atheist.

LOL. Science doesn't make moral judgments. Just because two homosexuals can't reproduce with each other doesn't mean that science says it's "wrong." By that logic, would you also contend that a person who is born sterile should live a life of celibacy, since it would be "wrong" for them to ever have sex with another person? What do you mean by "wrong" anyway? Unnatural? That's debateable, but even if homosexuality were unnatural, so is wearing clothing. Do you consider that to be wrong?

Christ never once condemned homosexuals OR homosexuality.

Most homosexuals just want to live their lives without being persecuted. If heterosexuals are allowed to go places in public together, homosexuals should be allowed the same freedom without being accused of "flaunting their sexuality" or "forcing their lifestyle" on other people.

 

I have to say after reading this whole thread...I agree with you abbadabba. Yes, I am Christian (ooh I'm the worse kind...I'm Catholic ) but I also follow Hare Krishna (but that's a different story) and I can tell you that whether or not it is wrong or it is a sin or you just don't agree with it....you can not condem people for being homosexuals. No one is asking you to turn around and marry a person of the same sex, but if they want to it is up to them...in the end we are all people, further more, in the end we aren't even these bodies, not even material nature. We are spirit soul and regardless of it all, I believe that what we are is more measured on how we love, regardless of whether or not we don't agree with their actions, it doesn't matter. You say that homosexuallity is against God's will, maybe it is, but I think that hate is more against God's will. This forum is a Hippie forum and in the end, shouldn't it be about peace and love, regardless of who you are, your nationality, your sexuality...because in the end we are all the same, spirit soul...and for now we are human and if we want to get on to that better place, we better start showing God that we can love one another while we're here before he'll let us go to his kingdom to do it.

Now I'm not saying that I'm perfect, no one is. That's why we are human. The point I'm trying to make, is instead of pointing fingers at other's, be aware and improve yourself...

I don't know if I'm totally off, if I am, ignore me...and if I'm not, don't blast me around too much

 

abbadabba, your argument's against The Bible and why I believe the act of homosexuality is wrong are null and void now. I presented you with logical and factual statements. You attempted to take thing's out of context in The Bible. I pointed you out and yet you have no reply for this. You still try to twist science itself to support homosexuality. Don't be a coward and run away from your mistakes here. Stand up and put up a decent fight for your beliefs or stop posting all together.

You mention people that are unable to bare children. Do I think it is wrong for them to be married and have sex? No, marriage is something God created to allow a man and a woman to get closer than ever before. My mother in father for example; met each other, fell in love, married and were unable to have children. After years of testing and trying medicinal cures, they decided to let God deal with it. Not to long after that decision, my natural mother delivered me without the knowlege of my natural father. He wanted me aborted. My fathers sister in Tn worked for child social services. She gave my parents a call concerning a child that was not wanted and needed a good family. My parents got on there knees and prayed. 15 minutes later they called my aunt back and said they were on the road. 12 hours later, my new parents were in Memphis Tn and saw me for the first time. You want proof that God exists? Do I think them trying to have a child was wrong? Seriously, I know you are grabbing at whatever you can, but your attempt this time is faulty.

We were not created to have sex with the same sex. It is a perversion. Soon, after homosexual marriage is allowed, some person somewhere will want to marry their dog. Another will want to marry his sheep. Another his child. A brother and sister will want to be married and it will get worse. Why stop? Why limit these people?

 

I don't like to blast people, but don't you think you are being a little naive? A person marrying their dog and a person marrying another person of the same sex are two different things entirely. If two responsible people want to get married and raise a family, who are you to say they can't? It doesn't matter whether they are two men or two women. We are so afraid of what is different than what we are used to that we forget that regardless of what people do they are still people. Are you free from doing anything wrong? No. Neither am I. So, say these people are wrong, it's not up to you to tell them. It's none of your buissiness. No one is hurting anyone by getting married. I see only love, and I think love is an ideal we could all do a little more with. Put yourself in a homosexual person's shoes. Here you have in your hands something you cannot control and something that is hated by society. So, you can run from what you really are and be miserable, or you can go out and find someone to love. Say you do find someone to love, and you two want to raise a child. Any respectable woman can tell you its her right to want to raise a child, and so many orphaned children need a family. So, live from house to house, or have the child live with two people who love them. Now, you both want to provide for the child, so you want a legal union to have a household bank account, but you are denied because you are a homosexual. That's like pushing ourselves back to when slaves were allowed to be married religiously but not legally...it's not any different. So, we have all this freedom, but still you are denied because you are different...

...so before you go off about how being a homosexual is wrong and perverted...think about how it may be to be one... we are all brainwashed to want the samethings: a home, a family, a tele, ect. and regardless of what you believe or who you love....you are still a person who wants these things and shouldn't be denied them because you are different...

...and for some reason I just can't let myself believe that God would mean to make people, some who might love him even more than some heterosexuals, suffer because they are different. I don't think I could believe this. And for some reason it were, God forgives them and loves them regardless...so why can't we. We only want to look for the bad things all the time...why can't we ever look for the good...?

 

i say let them get married, and i'm a christian. we don't live in a theocracy. and the humanist in me says that everyone should be able to have love and companionship, this is a pretty hard life without it. if it's with a person of the same sex, then so be it. i don't completely trust the bible anyway. i trust god, i trust christ's message. words written on paper by people striving to control one another is entirely another matter.

 

LOL. How did I try to "twist science itself"? So far, you're the only one in this thread who has mentioned biology, and it was to make an ignorant bigoted argument. Why don't YOU answer my argument? How does science make moral judgments? It doesn't. The whole argument that "homosexuality is unnatural" isn't just incorrect, it's stupid. Even if it was unnatural, so what? How does that make it wrong? Wearing clothes isn't natural either.

The gospel according to YOU. Why don't you stop trying to force your beliefs on the rest of society by preventing two loving people from marrying each other? If marriage is about people getting close to one another, and not about sex, then why can't you distinguish same-sex marriage from homosexual sex? Is it that you think that NO ONE who sins should be allowed to get married? Marriage would be quite uncommon indeed if that were the case.

It is you who is trying to grab at whatever you can. This entire paragraph is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand: homophobia and Christianity.

Ah, I see you're a Santorum Republican. How charming. But earlier, you said that the basis for marriage isn't sex, so what does "being created to have sex with the same sex" have to do with it? And to answer your question: A dog, a sheep, and a child are unable to consent to marriage. Two homosexual adults ARE able to consent to marriage.

 

I love liberals. They try so hard to be so accepting of....of,..well,...of,uhhhhmm, I know - everything that is vile and base or contrary to the wishes of God. But there are some things that they wont accept and will fight tooth and nail to destroy. These things include, but are not limited to, Christianity, free thought, guns, conservatives, free speach, (unless it is them speeking),..

Unfortunately anyone who disagrees with a liberal gets a title. Such as here. If you are a Christian who opposes homosexuality,you are automatically a "homophobe". By being disgusted by the thought of homosexuality, we are "homophobes". Curiously, is there a title for homosexuals that are disgusted by normal sex? What kind of "phobe" are they? How about homos who hate Christians who are "homophobes"? Surely there is some word that describes these people. I can think of a couple, but I doubt my post would make it onto the board. Just as two politically incorrect messages have already been deleted.

 

And yet you still ignore it. Here is what I am tired of, you admit to not being a Christain. Yet you continue to attempt to use God in your arguments. You have no relationship with him, therefore, quit using him in your arguments. Now, stop beating around the bush and tell me why you decided it would be ok for you to pull out bits and pieces of The Bible and the "crumble" up the rest of the scripture and throw it in the "fire"? Come on, all this talk, and 2 posts later and you still haven't answered. In one postI covered everything from the begining of this thread. Quit playing games here.

Oh, as soon as you stop trying to force homosexual marriage on me and my country I'll stop posting here to show you how it is wrong. Besides, you are the one that started this thread were you not? Were you hoping to gain support from a group of pot smoking liberals? In reality, your little "tantrum" has only strengthened my resolve and my faith.

This person here just prooved my point. A lot of people think they are Christains. You keep telling yourself that. In your journy with The Lord, have you ever prayed and asked for the Holy Spirit to guid you and show you what is correct? Have you ever asked for knowlege concerning The Bible? For you to say you don't trust The Bible just shows your lack of understanding and faith.

Oh yes, and one last thing to abba. Reply to what I have asked for, and I'll continue on and reply to all of your questions. Until you do that, everything you say is just a last gasp of air before you drown in your self pitty and perverted dreams.