Why Atheism Is A Religion

When did I ever say to defame science in favor of god? I'm really more interested in those areas that attempt to blend the two together, though those areas usually get shat on by many scientists.

Also, technology and materialism is great and convenient, but definitely has revealed its flaws in the 20th century and beyond.

And I could also just write down these ideas onto a piece of paper. I don't have to type it on a computer. So that part of your point isn't very valid.

 

Don't you see, it was Einsteins fixation on some god attribute that held him back...others went forward

You could write it on paper but you wouldn't have the audience you seek.

 

I'm not sure it was even that, That argument seems like it could easily be spun around and said that that same fixation inspired, in many people's view, the greatest mind of the 20th century, however I'm not sure either spin carries much weight.

I think the Einstien quote has more to do with him being uncomfortable about the implications of physics introducing Uncertainty as an integral quality, which you initially said. It seems the gist of the statement says more about an ambitious Einstien's unwillingness to accept that the universe could not be fully discovered and described, rather than any spiritual hang ups necessarily.

 

So you need the internet for an audience? Led Zeppelin had the internet?

 

The Unknown is the heart and soul of Spirituality at its core.

 

No, but they did have a record deal including distribution.

 

And that's relevant because why? They got big initially via word-of-mouth.

 

You brought it up.

Hey, maybe you'll become a rockstar of magik by word of mouth too, huh?

 

I'm making a point about how you don't need the internet for an audience.

 

And I was making a point about not reaching a mass audience without a platform. What are you gonna do, go stand on a soap box in the town square crying " Atheism is a Religion!"?

Actually I would suggest that because it makes pretty droll HF threads, religious people whining.

 

You don't really have a point with your argument. It is possible, in fact, to build a platform the way that you have described. And building a platform overall has more to do with self-will and skill than it does having the internet or any other type of outlet. You can build an audience DIY and many musicians have done it. Led Zeppelin had a platform from record industries because they had a demand by word-of-mouth right from the very beginning.

What makes the hipforums redundant is the swarming amounts of atheists huddling together like any other religious community, confirming their beliefs to each other.

 

Although I think it's bit exaggerative there is no one to blame but yourself for those perceptions. you proactively make these threads criticizing, and at times berating atheists, with often very little substance behind the things that you say. You completely ignore other people's talking points, which may not be intentional but more so to do with your lack of understanding in discourse. Not to mention, in regards to this 'huddling' together thing, I just had a point of contention with TheProdu, so again more of you seeing only what you want to see. A main difference I notice between many atheists here, compared to your style of discussion, is that if atheists disagree amongst each other, they can tend to do it in a civilized manner and no need to fly off the train for 3 pages to try and one up each other. That said, If logic and reason are consistent, which to me are the foundations of atheism, there are likely to be many times that atheists will agree on stuff, this is no different than any paradigm that has particular values and is not something exclusive to religious communities.

When I scroll through the list of forums, it seems there are so many more places on this site that seem better suited for the "positive" (meaning the things you affirm in a beneficial way) interests of yours, such as Astrology, Metaphyics and Mysticisim, and New Age. I don't know why you don't utilize those forums, you may have some more people on board with some things you say. The glaring error, as I see it you are making is the idea that atheists worldview is built on 'faith'. Atheism is built on a foundation of Reason and logic, so that is how you need to express your ideas if you attempt to want to communicate any errs in the general view of Atheism.


I don't get the persistence in contrarian approach to ideas you don't ascribe to.

 

I don't get how atheism is built on a foundation of reason and logic. It's really just a preference for how you want to exist in the world. It hasn't logically been proven that there is no God. It isn't more reasonable to believe there is no God than it is to believe there is one. Science isn't happening with the logical conclusion being drawn from that science that there is no God. Or vice versa: Atheism didn't happen with the logical conclusion drawn from that atheism being that we should perform scientific experiments. There have been scientists both atheists and theists alike. There have been atheist serial killers. Was their atheism built on a foundation of reason and logic? Were they sitting around debating in their minds whether God could or couldn't exist given the parameters of the universe, or is it more likely that they just hate the idea of there being anything in control that is transcendent of them?

 

It is a structure , reasonably sturdy for logically imagined conditions . It requires
such environmental controls as earthquake suppression . And the cost of up-keep ?
Infinite prosperity .

 

As a position to defend, I'd say atheism is built on logic and reason. Probably the most generic atheist summation is " I don't believe in God because there is no evidence ." Other than that, I think most atheists don't even consider God really in their metaphysical and existential musings.

 

Just Because a position can be built on certain foundations doesn't mean an individual cannot get consumed by other motives and break those

For instance teachers having sexual relations with underage students.

 

Deceptions may by so very cleverly reasoned . Examine a grand deception first with the psychic mind ... this
perceives the ideas that have been unnaturally entangled by the deceiver . Those ideas will have been skillfully
camouflaged as logical ; custom-made for the most reasoning and logical victim of the deception .

 

^ I am confused whether you are suggesting God is a deceiver or logic is deceiving or maybe you're not referring to either.

 

Was merely responding to theprodu's bashing of religious talk on these forums. It's funny to me that people don't seem to get that it's usually me that's getting criticized first before I do it to others.

I do plan on getting more involved with those pages. But I also am passionate about the alchemy of conflict in discourse, which can't happen while i'm always huddled up with my own "camp".

And I don't necessarily have to be logical about approaching atheism and topics related to logic. That's like asking you to talk the language of astrology while arguing against astrology.

If people have a problem with my attitude then it's because they don't like what I have to say. Others do jive with what I have to say, and I dig what they have to say, and we may disagree even at times, but there's naturally not an aggression. Tends to be with the atheists that there is some sort of aggression, which is hardly even a personal thing. We are just reflecting and showing the Consciousness Wars that have existed prior to us being born.

 

A belief can be subverted . A belief in logic can be subverted by a deceiver . This is
why we progress a philosophy of knowing . And for survival it is an immediacy of knowing
at an essential level when action NOW is the necessity .


Positively for the theist , to do the will of God can be action now - as in God says 'give that
bum a buck' .

Positive athiest knowing , if that quick , is psychic as in ' I hear what you need ' .

What's the difference ? Does either perceive the bum is deceiving ? no , not that bum

Is the theist psychic ?