Why Atheism Is A Religion

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by ChinaCatSunflower02, Dec 10, 2015.

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You are comparing the wearing of clothes to cultural interpretations of transcendental experiences and the establishment of religions based on those interpretations.
    So what if clothes aren't illusionary? Clothes are material objects. Transcendental experiences by definition transcend "material objects."

    The clothes are coverings for your body and you, they are not explanations of what you are or what you have experienced.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    If this is aimed at me....I have heard of particle entanglement.

    And I read your article, what does it have to do with "Why atheism is a religion"?
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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  4. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

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    You're not focused on atheism at all.
     
  5. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    My bad I meant to post this in the determinism thread
     
  6. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Just revealing its flaws, and showing how similar it is to Religion and Christianity.
     
  7. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Every Religion is its own unique cultural expression of that Transcendental experience, and there is nothing wrong with that.
     
  8. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Just because an ideology has similarities with religions does not make it a religion itself.


    I agree, on the contrary, I for one love that we have different cultural perspectives on spiritual experiences, religion etc. etc.. Nothing wrong with them on itself. It is how people act on them or how they treat or view those other perspectives where it often goes wrong.
     
  9. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    Yeah, more like irrationally obsessed.
     
  10. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Seems like he has something in common with a certain kind of atheist then :D

    Some people just are overly obsessed with what the other supposedly stands for.
     
  11. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    Well, let me know when millions have died for the sake of flying spaghetti monsters.
     
  12. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Actually I've only recently targeted Atheism. Last year and the year before I was targeting Religion, and also Feminism last year.
     
  13. Asmodean

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    Everybody knows there is only 1 flying spaghetti monster. People that think otherwise must perish.
     
  14. Chodpa

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    atheism is paradign shift not religion - religion stays the same forever regardless of fact
     
  15. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

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    Why bring christianity into this? (I could also mention, why even bring the topic of religion up?

    Are you willing to acknowledge that man came before religion?

    If so, what would you "label" these people as? Would you refer to them as (insert religion here)? Would you refer to them as atheists?

    To label a group of people as "religious" before the thought of religion had entered the mind of a single individual would simply be ridiculous. Likewise, the term "atheist" would be equally silly in the case of examining a group of people before the creation of religion.
     
  16. Irminsul

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    What if animals believe in religion but we just don't know it? Animals came before man =/= religion came before man. ;)

    Yeaaaah just let that sink in a minute.
     
  17. themnax

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    there may be no reasonable conclusion, about whether or not there are gods or a god,
    but a totally reasonable conclusion, is that no one knows jack about them, if there are.

    personally i don't believe a god who hates anything is a god at all,
    but gods or a god who don't, is a perfectly reasonable possibility.

    if that discredits 9/10ths of what's in the scriptures of any religion,
    that's not god's problem, nor is it mine.

    but mostly what i think reality discredits, isn't the intentions of any belief,
    but what a lot of people, including a lot of clergy, seem to think they know even about that.
     
  18. themnax

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    i have no problem with that. but what if their religion, without words as we use words, is absolutely right, and every attempt we've ever made, to put or explain religion into words (christianity, islam, all the rest of them), is absolutely full of shit wrong? i don't think buddah or lau tsu (or even aristotle with his excluded middle) got it quite as wrong as saul of tarsus (so called saint paul), but then i don't think anybody else did either.

    what i would disagree with though, is the likelihood of humanity being uniquely sapient in the universe.
    populated worlds orbiting other suns are unlikely to be the same age as our earth, but rather most either younger or older.
    life of course, comes before sapience, and worlds, come before life. that much probably is universal.

    and the other point (on which i'm agreeing), humans make a big mistake to discount the possible sprituality of non-human creaturs.
     
  19. Irminsul

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    Don't most atheists believe we spawn from the DNA of apes etc? Or at least we evolved from the ape kingdom? So if that's the case then we are actual animals too sooo if animals were right, what if we are too and our explanations and the way we preach it is truth?? ???? And then what if atheism is completely wrong?? 0.0
     
  20. themnax

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    sorry, no cigar there. no one is saying we came from apes, rather that we share a common ancestor with the primate family. of course we are actual animals. what else would we be? plants? minerals? we are among the animals of our planet, uniquely specialized to be creative. that doesn't mean we can't have souls, or even that all life doesn't. but a soul is not something that can be physically observed, for the rather simple and obvious reason, that it is a non-physical thing. there is also no reason to assume our solar system, to be unique among solar systems, in possessing a planet teaming with life, including sapient life such as our own.

    the problem with religion isn't with god, whether there is one or not, the problem is with the human ego demanding to believe it knows, what quite simply is not known, and probably never can be.

    that it is possible for completely non-physical things to exist, is the very and only thing, that makes it possible for gods to do so.
     
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