Why Churches Fear Gay Marriage

The liberal are the ones who want government to run everything

 

Yeah, and the conservatives are the ones who want to keep power out of government and into the deep pockets of corporations.

 

You guys are confusing fiscal conservatism with social conservatism.

Traditionally, conservatives were the ones that were all for individual liberties and fiscal conservativeness. The liberals wanted the government to intervene in financial matters and help the less fortunate ("socialism"). Mind you, this was in a time when the government helping the poor was a relatively new idea in American society, and conservatives wanted people to "pick themselves up by their bootstraps" and such. Conservatives at the time didn't favor government intervening in a person's personal affairs, because "family values" weren't really considered a high-priority issue back then.

Nowadays, true conservatives are known as Libertarians, and Neo-Conservatives (a word which is often interchanged with just "conservative" by our mindless media) favor limited government intervention in financial matters, but DO want the government to step in in social matters ("family values"). Liberals, on the other hand, are the opposite--wanting the government to intervene fiscally (to "stop corporate greed"), while they want the government to back off socially. It's all just a matter of the times changing from the original definitions.

Keep in mind, of course, that these are generalizations.

 

yeah, some people are just dumb gardner

 

This neo-con latching on to social issues hit full stride with Lee Atwater's Republican "Southern Strategy."

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “******, ******, ******.” By 1968 you can't say “******”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
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And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “******, ******.”[7]
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- from wiki

In other words, exploit Southern racial tensions and fear to capture the Southern states. The torch was later taken up by Karl Rove and ilk, and went national.

The idea was to win elections (and, according to Rove, establish a permanent Republican majority) by capitalizing on divisive "wedge" issues and portraying themselves as the guardians of "family values" while attacking Democrats as liberal elites, bent on creating an amoral society where the gay and minority agendas would undermine the values of middle-class, hard-working Americans (read: church-going white people).

It worked for more than two decades (Gingrich Revolution, the Bush2 campaigns). Clinton didn't help matters with his blowjobs, and Sept. 11 allowed it to outlive its shelf-life because people were scared.

But the tide is turning. Young people are much more accepting of diversity than their parents. And now the Republicans are scrambling for a new image. Hate politics won't work with a more open-minded electorate. McCain and Palin proved that.

And in 4 years, kids who are 14 right now will be voting. Republicans better hustle.

 

For what it's worth, over here in Massachusetts the gays have been marryin' each other all willy nilly for years now, and amazingly, society has not broken down.

The only difference it's made is that millions of dollars have come into the state from gays moving here to get married. (The money comes from: a) the weddings themselves, which are expensive; b) gays, on the average, make more than straight people. Don't ask me why.)

 

*shakes fist*

Damn those liberals with their free-flowing ideas and creative investments.

 

It must really irk conservatives on a certain level in California that they have lost all that revenue at a time when our state is in dire need of capital. I hope they plan on tithing to the state as well as the church.

 

i think the economy is in dire need of everything right now, so much for conservative views to upkeep a country...ha haha.... man, california is feelin the contraversy with same sex marriage, and to steer what everyones talking bout back to topic, mormons were a propietor to that proposal banning same sex marriage..

 

Some estimates show Mormons contributed as much as 75 percent of the $25 million-plus raised to help pass Prop 8.

Maybe the law should have said gays can marry TWO OR MORE other gays. Why are the zealots always the ones with the ugliest skeletons in their closets?