Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

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Living forever is consequential, death is not. If you lived forever, you would not die.

 

What is the time before you are born considered in christianity or is the soul created when the sperm fertilizes the egg?

 

MyLeeJones,

Even if you could have lived forever as a believer, you will not be experiencing your lack of immortality as a consequence when you are dead. You will not be experiencing anything as anything. You will have been extinguished.

 

thedope,

If I first have to remove the log from my own eye before I can remove the speck from my brother's eye, that will prohibit me from getting on anybody's ass when they cross me. It will really cramp my style!

What you are advocating will certainly create a serious shortage of accusers. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? I'll get the log out of my own eye, just not today. I'm too busy getting on peoples' asses today . . . and probably tomorrow.

 

I didn't read this excerpt before, but now that I have, tehe.

If you have to accept, then you are not free to choose. Your statement is garbled in premise. Why do we have to accept the concept or the fact of "ransom sacrifice"?

The purpose of time is to allow time to bring time, (transient emergence), to an end. In time you can be in one frame of mind in one instance and in an entirely different frame of mind in the next. Time is made possible by the perception of light and dark. But if the the eye be sound, the whole body will be full of light, not light and dark. Darkness flees in the presence of light. In turn darkness cannot extinguish light.

Time ends when you make you last call for reciprocity. The last judgement is the final arbitration we are involved in.

The light that god gave you can never be extinguished or turned into darkness, but our judgement against casts a shadow that makes the light seem obscure. Those who perceive darkness have not allowed the light to be seen for the sake of their verdict against it. That is why the cornerstone of christs teaching is forgiveness.

Go and learn what this means, I desire mercy, not sacrifice.

Are you trying to say that god cannot be attractive? Are you saying the only worthy measure is the threat of demise?

Who or what is satan? The only accusations I hear are from people.
The only universal morality is the instinct for self preservation.

This is unadulterated fantasy.

How does believing in human sacrifice return us to perfection?

 

Not if the speck is on their ass, and only to the extent that you are unwilling to forgive will the log remain.

 

Good question for christianity. I can't speak for christianity but my own take is, if it is not occurring now, it is not happening. Kind of makes the question irrelevant. The past and the future are artifacts of current emergence, memory.
Memory is living tissue.

 

So are you saying that souls are not eternal but created by humans on a daily basis, pulled from the ether of a mans genitals and a woman's unfertilized egg?

 

No. Each moment is complete unto itself and satisfied in the blink of an eye.
Our view of the world is particulate, made of photons. We get a sense of motion from the flow of consecutive photons in the same way a motion picture is produced. If you were to slow down light, which you cannot because its speed is constant, you would see that each photon represents a still picture, an individual frame , and it is these individual frames seen in rapid succession makes it appear that events follow a historical succession but each moment is a new creation, a re-verberation. If you were to slow down light it would look as thought the universe blinks on and off because of the slight distance between individual protons.

The only thing eternal is the moment of now. Now matter what time it is, it is always now. The only presence is here, no matter where you are. This is what makes it possible to make choices as opposed to being locked into a historical progression. Free will as opposed to fate. You cannot do things in the future, you cannot do things in the past. The only moment of power is now.

 

Aye, go on then

 

I love your post #744 thedope.

I understand what you're saying, and I want to give it further expression ( it must be my limited intellect :-D) I have talked on these forums before of times end in mind, but only in mind. We can conceive time as other than unique to consciousness, but it results only in our passing. Emergence simply wants possession. Its eternity is found beyond the 'concept' of eternity in the affirmation of transcience. I think the religious mind struggles with the idea of the labour pain that giving birth to ourselves seems to imply. Let every mind that considers human sacrifice an error of understanding, unite!

 

So be it.

 

That's pretty close to what I'd say, but I wouldn't say "created by humans". Created by nature or biology would be more accurate, during the course of neurological development of the embryo. .

 

So if they are created this way are they also destroyed at the dissolution of the body?

 

Okay, if that's what you want, then if you don't want to talk about it, don't ask about it or talk about it and I won't talk about it with you, although I will talk about it with others if they still have questions.

Actually, it seems that it is you that can't keep it straight. First you ask;

Which I answered and now you ask;

and act like it is the same question that you've asked before and that I can't be straight about my answers, when in fact it is you that can't keep what you want to know straight.

So once again I'm left trying to read your mind and try answer your questions in a way that won't having you berating me for not answering questions you haven't asked yet.

The simple fact is that Jesus died a slow tortuous painful death. Because it was prophesied to be such, that is the way Jesus had to die or he would not have fulfilled the prophecies about it.

Although I know Jesus had to die to be able to provide the ransom sacrifice, I personally do not know if such a slow tortuous painful death was necessary to fill the need for the ransom sacrifice.

You were aiming?

 

Okay now you're just being bad.

 

So it was choreographed to fulfill what had been written. Let that sink in.

What ransom sacrifice?

 

Okay once again this is the definition:
consequence
1. the effect, result, or outcome of something occurring earlier: The accident was the consequence of reckless driving.
2. an act or instance of following something as an effect, result, or outcome.
3. the conclusion reached by a line of reasoning; inference.
4. importance or significance: a matter of no consequence.
5. importance in rank or position; distinction: a man of great consequence in art.

Since the wages of sin is death, death is the result of sin. Looking at the above definition of consequence the effect, result, or outcome of something occurring earlier and since death is the result of the previously occurring sin. Death is the consequence, as I have already stated several times.

But if you wish to makeup a definition of the word consequence, so that your inaccurate statements; "The consequence of dying as a sinner and unbeliever is of no consequence to the sinner who has died. If there were a consequence, the consequence is that there is no consequence. If anyone wants to call that a consequence, that is fine. But it would be inaccurate.", make some kind of sense, fine. But it would be nice if you would let the rest of the world know that you have changed the definition of the word.