Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

So I keep telling him but he believes if you are dead and can't experience the consequence then it isn't a consequence.

 

I tried to convert to atheism once but Rudenoodle said he didn't want me to be a part of his religion.

 

Soul is the life of the person and is not some separate immortal "vapor" that lives on after that person dies. So it starts and stops with the life of the individual. So the time before a person comes to life is just that, the time before you came to life.

 

it is a figure of speech meaning that if you want to avail yourself of the provision then you "have" to accept it but you still have the free will to reject if you want, like you have.

I have, when will you?

It doesn't, it certainly didn't bring the Aztecs or the Mayans to perfection. But accepting Jesus' sacrifice on our behalf will put us in line for perfection.

 

Ahhh No. It is more like God foreseeing what had already happened.

The one the OP of this thread is talking about.

 

You said it had to happen to fulfill prophecy and it says several times in the stories of the bible that a thing was done in order to fulfill prophecy

Where does it say, "ransom sacrifice" in the bible?

Why do you think ransom sacrifice is needed to forgive sin if we do not forgive sin we are liable for it?

 

Hypothesis cannot become empiricism in the spiritual realm. Postulates abide. I assume then ,that faith "provides" a suitable substitute for such. Just stating the obvious to start the day off right.
Carry on.

 

It is not a figure of speech when it is required to achieve a certain result.
Again why do you have to accept the idea or the fact of jesus as ransom sacrifice to achieve that result? Who's rule is it?

According to jesus god knows how to give good gifts to his children and if we ask we shall receive. You are setting up a roadblock to the path that jesus prescribed.

Jesus said he who believes in me also believes in him who sent me. He didn't say he who believes that I died because you were a sinner, also believes in him who sent me.

How does ransom sacrifice fulfill the law when there are still requirements for perfection?

 

We can test postulates for probable outcomes.

 

In the spiritual realm?

 

Ahh never mind--i shouldn't be in here anyway-----carry on.

 

I don’t believe that is what it does, justification is just what some people do with it.

If there is no God or at least one that doesn’t care about mankind then what you say is true. But if there is a God and he cares about mankind, then he is also able to describe what might seem indescribable, at least by man and describe it in a way that we can understand.

I know that this is a good description of many, maybe even me but I have known those that this does not describe at all.

I agree that for most of mankind it is true but not for all mankind.

Once more, I agree but religion is not the problem, it is those that misuse it that are the problem.

We are probably closer than it would at first seem.

 

I didn't know postulates came from the spiritual realm. A philosophical postulate must consist of consistent premise in order to ring true.

 

There is a difference between doing something just to fulfill prophecy and something happening or doing something that ends up having fulfilled prophecy.

The exact phrase is not found in the Bible but you can find the concept at Matthew 20:28; Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.”

Because forgiving others is only a part what is needed, the ransom is also needed. We also need to confess, repent and turn away from our sins.

 

It is still a figure of speech but the fact that "it is required to achieve a certain result" doesn't mean that you can't still use your free will to decide to not "achieve that result".

God's

You're the one that says Jesus told us to ask. Is Jesus "setting up a roadblock" by telling us we have to ask?

No he didn't. So?

The law was a tutor leading to the Christ, Jesus by fulfilling the law showed that he was the one the law pointed to.

The ransom sacrifice has been provided but is providing for something all that is needed? Those provisions still have to be acted upon.

If someone says; I put $20,000 in the bank for you so you can buy a car, does that mean that you now own a car? No. You still have other things to do before you can say you are a car owner.

 

I would say so. But the bible specifically says a thing was done to fulfill prophecy. It does not say something happened that was consistent with prophecy.

The concept is not found there. The concept is interpretive of what is stated.
Are body and soul the same thing? The phrase says nothing in the least about sacrifice.

Ransom is useless, not needed, unless it is in conjunction with those other things. Further all sins will be forgiven except for blaspheme against the holy spirit.

What would we confess?

To repent is to reorient the pentacle of the senses to seeking only god and his kingdom.

To confess means that you must have judged yourself unworthy and is nothing more than a statement of vanity.

Sin is not an act. Sin is a faulty perception that causes you to react to things inappropriately.

 

It is still required to achieve the result. It is a figure of speech only to the extent that you spoke it. It is not a figure of speech to the extent that someone hears it.

Who told you that?

No, jesus is the authority, not your interpretation of one statement in the bible.

You made it up. It satisfies your prurient interest.

No. The holy spirit is the tutor leading unto christ.

According to you jesus fulfilled the law. If he fulfilled the law then why do you say he provided the avenue by which we might fulfill the law?

You are not a car and we are not talking about money.
You are talking about mammon. You cannot serve two masters, and that is why you condemn, because you will love the one and hate the other

 

OWB:

Dodging again. One answer from you OWB. Be straight. A yes or a no. You've answered already that you think Jesus had to die, I'm asking if you think he had to be killed.

 

There is a huge difference between sacrifice and giving.

Giving is giving something because you want someone to have it.

Sacrifice is giving up something that you would prefer to keep.

 

OWB is reluctant to give a direct answer to whether or not he thinks Jesus had to die at the hands of others. It suggests that he does indeed think so, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.