Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

Jesus did say he had to go, but not as a sacrificial offering. He said he had to go that the comforter could come.

 

Why would he be reluctant?

 

I've seen the attraction for the story of personal sacrifice, it offers an emotional hook. A maudlin affection for the dimly lit. It creates a sense of indebtedness, as in how could someone love me so much. People flock to it but it is no more than a political device and it does not liberate.

 

thedope:

What do you think he meant by that?

Because he does not agree that Jesus should have been killed? Hopefully. I'm waiting for him to answer that. My question extends to everyone that calls themselves christian, and anyone else besides.

 

A human body can not be in attention for two thousand years. A body cannot be in a billion places at once. He removed the body between us to join firmly with our mind.

"cut me down and I will be more powerful than you will ever know"

Obiuan Kenobi

It is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks. Maybe he is not abundantly convinced of christs innocence, or maybe he condemns god?

 

thedope:

There are more than a billion places in a body. The vine desires itself, not the vintager.

Dionysus against the crucified!

He perhaps doesn't understand that to answer, and more than answer "no", is to liberate himself in any case from either conviction.

 

thedope:

I had thought I understood no better than you. I am over every 'argument' for Christs crypto-suicide.

To "pick up and lay down ones life at will" is not the measure of life. Only the picking up.

The human body has been in attention far longer. What you imagine for the life of the individual is of no consequence to the individual. The individuals of your experience may yet surprise you. :-D

 

No it is not the measure of life, it is the mastery of life. To lay down and pick up, at will. To not be confined to specific time place or form. Do not be afraid of those who can kill the body. The going was not suicide, the going is transfiguration. In the story jesus appears to his disciples as a body, not dead, after crucifixion. He went into ascension.

My friend, it is the human spirit that all human bodies share. We do not share bodies.

 

This saying speaks of an agile and circumspect mind.

Let me rephrase, the ego that calls the body it's home cannot be away from it.

You cannot emerge without cooperation.

A dead body is the measure of no man.

 

thedope:

The measure of life is its mastery. One may not pick up ones life once one has lain it down. That any sort of personal victory, let alone transfiguration can be achieved through death is sheer misconception. Sleep is the comforter.

We procreate. We share ourselves altogether. If we are undivided in mind, then in body also. There are no enduring states of separation. As above, so below.

The ego that calls its body home does not desire departure.

The hand I had in my own birth is negligible.

And here we agree, friend.

 

You're still twisting the Scriptures daily, I see.

 

I don't think you have comprehended me. He was not dead.
Every speck of appreciation you can find in the world is the stuff of mind.
The world is not valuable for what it has to offer.

Then we are not confined to body.

Ludicrous. There is not one who has not lamented their condition at some time or another.

Knowledge is being shared.

 

Be specific.

 

Yes, that is what I said, it is still required to achieve the result but you can still use your free will to choose to not achieve that result.

God.

You should talk, what with your "interpretation" of the one statement in the Bible, mercy not sacrifice.

No I didn't make it up, I didn't say it, you did. So does that mean it satisfies your prurient interests?

Twisting the scriptures again I see.
(Galatians 3:24) . . .Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ. . .

Yes he did.

I didn't say that, you're making up things again.

It was an illustration, if you don't understand, just ask and I'll explain it to you.

 

How can I be specific, if you keep twisting every scripture you get your hands on.

 

One more time, I don't know. I can't be any plainer, if I don't know something, I say; "I don't know."

What do you want me to do lie to you?

 

I'm not being reluctant, I have given you as direct an answer as I can.

But one more time, I don't know. I can't be any plainer, if I don't know something, I say; "I don't know."

What do you want me to do lie to you?

 

In other words you are blowing hot air.
Pics or it didn't happen.

 

thedope:

Whether he died straight away or later on, he died of his injuries. The world is valuable only in evaluation. In what it offers itself.

We are freed by it, and not only by our mind.

Do you mean to say there cannot be one who does not lament their condition? Or are you equating dissatisfaction with despair?

Being is always embodied.

 

To be fair, he asked your opinion, not if you knew god's mind.