Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

Perhaps but doesn't saying that God did it kind of defeat the purpose of evolution in the first place doesn't it.

 

No, why?

 

Ask your spirit buddy I'm sure he can help you out.

 

I wouldn't say that I believe in "evolution", but I also wouldn't say that I believe in "Christianity". These terms are so loaded with misunderstanding and implications beyond what they stand for.

I do believe in evolving species. However, I do not believe so much as to further the strong anti debate on either side. I assuredly do not believe that faith must of necessity exclude science, that is, true science. Why would anyone of us wish to shut ourselves off from true knowledge? We do not wish a return to the dark ages, when "the church" was in control of what "science" was "approved", and what was not approved, at penalty of death at times.

I do believe that the bible does not exclude science. I believe the bible to be misunderstood.

I believe in the peaceful co-existence of both faith and science. I do not believe that "faith" is merely "blind", though it uses another facility than the purely physical.

 

God could still have created the world, but created it so that everything evolved... I don't get why you missed that OWB??

I'm actually fairly surprised that someone can still back up creationism at this point in time. I mean if it works for you that's great, but in my opinion it's a fairly "selfish" viewpoint.
Here's a question for you. Do you solidly believe any other God's aren't real and that the Christian God is the one and only?

 

I read this things you people write and I am much happy I am not christian. Everything is sacred and all things are spirit. If you have goodness and morality to all things it matter nothing if jesus is real.

 

I didn't miss it and it "could" have happened that way and I say "could" because to me there still seems to be some large gaps in evolution that need to be jumped along the way. Kind of like God is a kid with a hoop and a stick and is running along behind evolution, so when it slows down and starts to fall over he has to give it another push.

Although I believe in creation, I do not believe in creationism. To me creationism does not follow what the Bible actually says happened. For one thing, creationism believes that the entire universe is only 5000 years old but the Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. The Bible does not say how long ago the beginning was and so that would allow for an old Earth and universe.

Selfish?

The Christian God is the only true God. Let's put it this way, if you went to the store to by a Rolex and when you got home you found that it was actually a Rodex, would you just shrug it off and say one watch is as good as another or would you go back and demand the real thing? Christianity, offers at least one thing no other religion does and that is the Christ.

 

As opposed to one huge entire gap that has no evidence what so ever? I mean faith is a wonderful thing, but I don't get how you don't want to hop over a few little gaps, but do want to leap over a giant great chasm.

So females are actually created out of the rib of males? That's a fact? Cos the Bible said so?

Ok.

There are infinite dogmatic religions in the world who all have their own extremists, who all say their God is the one and only. What makes any one of you right?
Using your analogy, a Rolex isn't the only watch out there. Gucci, Fossil, Timex, Siekko, Swatch... the list goes on.
Why must people only buy Rolex watches? Why must people only follow Christianity? That's why it's selfish, because the world revolves around the "One True God!". Fuck that shit.. I was raised a Catholic, and now I'm floating around as an Agnostic being happier than I ever was before.

Religion isn't a one-size-fits-all deal. You're extremely narrow minded if you think that.


I apologise for my forwardness, but it needs to be said.

 

Men construct watch. God ou Gods ou the universe ou what name you want to give it. Is made constructed without the help of men. We can not describe it or know it. We can only know ourselfs. It is stupid to attempt to do theese things. We can only treat all things with goodness and morality. All things are sacred and all things are spirit.

 

What huge entire gap that has no evidence what so ever, are you talking about?

Also the gap between life and non-life is a gap that evolution may never cross and is not a problem that creation has.

Why not, is that really so hard to believe?

So to you it's easier to believe that after billions of years of evolution two creatures with the same number of chromosomes evolved at almost the exact same time and place, within about forty years of each other and within 50 miles of each other and they were one male and one female and this happened over and over again, right up the ladder to mankind? And the best answer I get for this is we're here, so it had to happen. That my friend is the definition of blind faith.

Do you really believe that there is no true or false, right or wrong, good or bad. Is it really just a matter of opinion?

True it is not the only watch out there but it is the only Rolex out there and that was the point I was making.

They don't have to, it seems you don't. I mean if you want to believe the Earth is flat, you can even join the Flat Earth Society but that won't make the Earth Flat.

I still don't see why it's selfish but that's okay too.

Catholicism has turned a lot of people away from God and personally I don't believe that Catholicism is Christianity and I'm Glad to hear you are happy.

Well then I'm narrow minded. I believe God can make a religion that fits everyone and doesn't want us to believe that opposing views are correct.

No problem, I've heard it all before.

 

And your point is?

 

Well, there are many rolexes that make up rolex the phenomenon. Which one is the rolex of rolexes? To my untrained eye, those three with the sub-dials are most likely a cut above, but will you get a look at that big bubbly one?! That's got to be it! : D

 

My reply to religious talk nowadays is just to say "I reject the holy spirit because it threatens to burn me in hell and I don't like religious middle eastern pricks threatening me."

If there was a god he could speak for himself. But there's not. As evidenced by the existence of people speaking for him.




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And which of these is the wheat Jesus was talking about in his illustration of the wheat and the weeds?


Wheat taxonomy - two schemes Common name Genome(s) Genetic (GRIN Taxonomy for Plants [4]) Traditional (Dorofeev et al. 1979 [5]) Diploid (2x), Wild, Hulled Wild einkorn Am Triticum monococcum L. subsp. aegilopoides (Link) Thell. Triticum boeoticum Boiss.
Au Triticum urartu Tumanian ex Gandilyan Triticum urartu Tumanian ex Gandilyan Diploid (2x), Domesticated, Hulled Einkorn Am Triticum monococcum L. subsp. monococcum Triticum monococcum L. Tetraploid (4x), Wild, Hulled Wild emmer BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. dicoccoides (Korn. ex Asch. & Graebn.) Thell. Triticum dicoccoides (Körn. ex Asch. & Graebner) Schweinf. Tetraploid (4x), Domesticated, Hulled Emmer BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. dicoccum (Schrank ex Schübl.) Thell. Triticum dicoccum Schrank ex Schübler
BAu Triticum ispahanicum Heslot Triticum ispahanicum Heslot
BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. paleocolchicum Á. & D. Löve Triticum karamyschevii Nevski Tetraploid (4x), Domesticated, Free-threshing Durum or macaroni wheat BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. durum (Desf.) Husn. Triticum durum Desf. Rivet or cone wheat BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. turgidum Triticum turgidum L. Polish wheat BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. polonicum (L.) Thell. Triticum polonicum L. Khorasan wheat BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. turanicum (Jakubz.) Á. & D. Löve Triticum turanicum Jakubz. Persian wheat BAu Triticum turgidum L. subsp. carthlicum (Nevski) Á. & D. Löve Triticum carthlicum Nevski in Kom. Tetraploid (4x) - timopheevi group Wild, Hulled
GAu Triticum timopheevii (Zhuk.) Zhuk. subsp. armeniacum (Jakubz.) Slageren Triticum araraticum Jakubz. Domesticated, Hulled
GAu Triticum timopheevii (Zhuk.) Zhuk. subsp. timopheevii Triticum timopheevii (Zhuk.) Zhuk. Hexaploid (6x), Domesticated, Hulled Spelt wheat BAuD Triticum aestivum L. subsp. spelta (L.) Thell. Triticum spelta L.
BAuD Triticum aestivum L. subsp. macha (Dekapr. & A. M. Menabde) Mackey Triticum macha Dekapr. & Menabde
BAuD Triticum vavilovii Jakubz. Triticum vavilovii (Tumanian) Jakubz. Hexaploid (6x), Domesticated, Free-threshing Common or bread wheat BAuD Triticum aestivum L. subsp. aestivum Triticum aestivum L. Club wheat BAuD Triticum aestivum L. subsp. compactum (Host) Mackey Triticum compactum Host Indian dwarf or shot wheat BAuD Triticum aestivum L. subsp. sphaerococcum (Percival) Mackey Triticum sphaerococcum Percival

 

As I have ofttimes said, the Bible and in this case the Holy Spirit, does not threaten to burn anyone in hell.

The bible defination of "hell", is the grave and when used in general, it is talking about the common grave of mankind and not a place where you will be burned or tortured, not that you would know it if you were, since the dead are conscious of nothing.

The whole "burn in hell" thing is a pagan concept and is one of the ways a person can tell if what you are listening to is true Christianity or not.

Do you really think that the God that created and sustains the universe has a human voice that we could survive hearing? That is why God uses intermediaries, because no man can see God and yet live.

 

I am Inuit and Amerindienne. We have no story of hell or burnings. I think you talk of Dante's Inferno. I am happy I can not believe in for the executed christian astrologie god.

 

George Carlin has a good way of giving an answer to all these questions.. lol

I myself do not like western religions, i am more of an eastern kinda guy

 

Chapter twelve first corinthians.

 

The huge entire gap that's called Religion.

Yup.

It's the same as superstition, it's all psychological. A big "placebo".
For example, everyone who has had something bad happen to them in life has said "Oh, why does it always happen to me?" or something along those lines. Well it doesn't only happen to them, our brains are just wired so that bad experiences stick out more than the good ones.
So if you're interested or believe in something your brain wires itself to pick up on those things, and you'll relate certain events that mean nothing at all to something that you believe to be true.

It's not a bad thing, whatever floats your boat, but it doesn't make it the one and only truth.
Never underestimate the power of the sub-conscious

Read above.

Not really a good point, because I can use this argument as well.

Looking back, neither do I... stoner moment.

Not just Catholicism, just Christianity in general. I looked at other "sub religions" before I dropped it altogether.. just doesn't seem to add up nicely.
But thank you

That's what I meant was selfish. Not you, but God. Let other Gods have some fun as well, there's no reason as to why God is the one and only.

I can imagine.

First page that popped up on a Google search
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

It may not threaten to burn anyone, but it definitely makes it clear that there's a place for naughty people to burn for eternity. And oh yeah, if you're good you can go to heaven.
Similar to government tactics.