Why do people keep seeing the same shit on saliva?

I tried smoking salvia, but I didn't get anything from it, just a minor head change. I was expecting it to kick my ass at any moment, but it never came.

 

Pretty much, the language to describe the effects will obviously be different and the interpretation of the experience will be different but the videos I've seen of tribal people snorting 5 me0 dmt they look like they are going pretty much through the same type of thing, lost in trance, mumbling, body movement/twitching etc.

 

I don't think their body movements are really a good indicator of what they are experiencing though.

I am awfully curious now though... lol

I think a series of experiments are needed... I don't see how it would be possible to use the extreme of an isolated tribe though.

 

Well 'dmt the spirit molecule' is that kind of trial. It was subjects who were administered dmt individually never talked to anyone but the scientist and many reported exact same phenomena and many others reported similar phenomena that could be chalked up to interpretation. On both salvia and Dmt the stimuli is moving so rapidly you can only 'catch' so much that can be processed as object/entity/shape/etc.

 

This doesn't show anything in terms of what we are talking about, unless the subjects were from very diverse backgrounds. Pretty much everyone in the developed world will already have the same basis of sights, sounds and interpretations.

That was why I had picked the isolated tribe as the extreme to make the point that you can't take two (or even 1000) people from the developed world, and say, look these people saw the same thing, therefore the tribal man will also... They have a completely different basis for looking at the world.

 

Well that's a difficult one to test accurately because once again we run into the language/culture barrier, from what I know of western anthropologist who have taken ritual psychedelic journeys with tribes they often experience the entities/figures that the indigenous experience.

 

While that's not quite the same thing, it does provide a clue...

If the anthropologists were experiencing things that normally arent experienced, then it goes to show that the environment at least has to do with the trip taken.

If they weren't experiencing anything out of the ordinary (for a trip) why would it be described as experiencing the entities and figures the the indigenous do?

 

Are they listening to Paula Abdul? =/

 

you originally credited the experience to the mind, the enviornment is a vastly different thing. Regardless though people are reporting contact with entities everywhere from the jungle to the labatory so its not enviornment specific but that certainly does play an integral role.

 

I think that's absurd and an asinine thing to say. If people watch the same shit on TV they'll have the same experiances on psychedellic drugs? That has to be the lazist theory I've ever heard. Well, second laziest right behind "It's a direct line to God, man"

The mind is a lot more complicated than you give it credit for. Any singular event or idea is open to an endless span of possable interpretations. People think differently based on personial experiance, brain chemestry (what their 'baseline' normally is, as it's different for just about everyone) their moral, social, and spiritual beliefs.

For you, if al that comes from Two and a Half Men and riding the L ZTrain to work in the morning, I feel sorry for you.

 

There's another point. Language barrier. No language can be perfectly translated to any other logic. Words with seemingly the same meanings can take on vastly different cultural interprtations. Japanese is the best example that I can think of, as most of their words have emotionally charged meaning that is lost in translation to english.

People think differently at the root level of thought. I actually remember me and Cronic Tom had an argument, where I claimed language is not the basis of thought, but only the most effective catilyst we have to 'communicate' thought.

He was wrong about that too

 

You feel sorry for me, not thats priceless Sam...

You are a fucking moron (to those mods who like to hold personal grudges and ignore this shit when it happens... pay attention, this is it being RETURNED to Sam).

At no point in time have I ever said the mind was simple... well besides yours of course.

What I said, for those who are mental fucking incompetents, is that the very basis of what your mind thinks, is based on your experiences, and those experiences are what it has to draw upon.

Therefore (try to keep your feeble fucking mind paying attention long enough to grasp this Sam), two separate people raised in radically different societies will have a very different basis for what they hallucinate.

As for your line about it being a lazy theory Sam... Actually if you read back, you will see that the theory I am countering says that ALL minds REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, will trip the same...

Your counter that my theory, which accounts for differences in between people and their minds is simple or lazy, just shows how simple and lazy your mind is.

But thanks for playing putz.

 

Look dude, you take internet arguments way too seriously. If this was a real life conversation I'd probably be heated. But I'll just lol and walk away cause this really isn't that importiant. Well, browse away, not walk.

 

Where do you think a persons experiences are stored? What is it that you think allows a person to differentiate between a city and the middle of nature?

Perhaps you think its the nose that does this?

Well, no, even that one wouldn't make sense, as anything your nose picks up from your environment is processed by YOUR BRAIN.

Everyone is reporting contact with entities... Odd.... I thought it was some.. the last time I checked... EVERYONE who has tripped, has not experienced the same things...

What I wanted to know why and explore, was why that was...

But seems you think that ALL people automatically experience the same things because according to the rumours you have heard (or read) of western style 'researchers' interpreting what people think by their dance movements, I don't see the point in continuing much further...

 

I realize that certian putzes feel that the internet is something special where you can say anything you wish and people should just ignore it... but the reality is that it is very simple another medium of communication...

Some, like you, use it to communicate the fact that you are full of bullshit, and that nothing you say means anything to you, let alone anyone else.

That is your choice.

 

No dude, you're not listening. No shit everyone doesn't experiance the same thing. You're just sort of on a tangent at this point.

I just think that the frequency of common occurances with peoples interpretation is interesting.

Ima cross post here cause I posted a quote to you that you ignored because it didn't contribute to your argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuY3_0Tudzk&list=PLDA80846A406B7EC2&index=16&playnext=4"]YouTube - DMT - The Spirit Molecule - Documentary Interviews - Part 4 of 5

Listen from 4:58 to 6:05 and that pretty much summerizes my qwhole idea on the topic. But I suppose you don't need to actually know the veiwpoints of the person you're argueing against to form your snappy rants.

 

TITLE: Why do people keep seeing the same shit on saliva (which one would assume was supposed to mean salvia)

I wonder where I got the idea that people were arguing EXACTLY what you are saying they werent...

 

See you just take little bits and peices of what someone says and to hell with the context. You're a fool. This isn't an argument worth haveing. Maybe in a few years when you're not such a sub-standard troll.

Pimp out, duces champ!

 

So, taking the title, the topic of the original post and the ensuing conversations about it, is taking things out of context?

Seriously man... maybe you should go outside and get some fresh air.

 

Ok... Now you're basically arguing my point for me, I said the drugs effects are an error in visual processing. The drug has to be processed by the brain as well so its the interaction between the two and not solely based in the mind. If you view the mind as synonymous with brain then we are really not on opposing sides of the argument, perhaps its just a misunderstanding due to a language barrier.