Why do so many British dislike their fellow Europeans

If he is not your PM then you do not believe in democracy, in any way shape or form. That is if you were born in the UK.

 

I don't know...

I'm from the states and I kinda feel like "he's not my president", though I realize his actions reflect on me anyway; at least to the rest of the world. I hear what you're saying though. People needn't be in denial... He is the PM.

 

You're blaming everything on right-wingers. Clearly you're a left winger.

Our country (UK) used to be about listening and respecting everyone's opinion, which is clearly not the case these days according to left-wingers who are calling out anyone they believe doesn't conform to their beliefs, yet have the cheek to call out so-called right-wingers as fascists and have no clue what so ever of the actual definition of fascist.

 

Germany was the same pre WW2.
There is no fairer method way of leadership.
When your government becomes so abusive to other countries then you can vote for a different government - that is humanities greatest ever achievement for modern society, or else we'd be left with monarchs uniting our countries through marriage and nothing else ultimately for global dominance for their own greedful agenda. What fails our democracy is when people protest against things like Trump being elected as president of basically democracy across the entire world. If you don't like your new "leader" then just wait 4-5 years, or move to another country.

 

I think protest though is a means of solidarity. We use our voice to promote unity against what we perceive as a significant drawback. I am of the mind that we can withstand a four year stint of general republican leadership as we have done more presidencies than not (they usually win). But this seems a bit over the top - he's doing things the wrong ways and sending the message that the United States doesn't care. Things like that. Usually I'm a believer in waiting in fair turn, but the guy has really blown it.

 

As per topic, as a Brit. I have zero anything against anyone.
What I do have angst against other people is people of other nations who come to the country I was born into and want to change it basically in accordance of getting rid of some of my countries way of life for the countries way of life they come from.
We ALL want to live and let live for everyone and everything, but... because of certain "PC" aspects of how we communicate these days we are no longer able to talk openly about certain issues without being branded negatively of a person. THAT is not the primary factor that is free speech that our forefathers of WW2 fought for against the Nazi's, they fought for our way of life - for all humans to prosper who did not want to hurt anyone else. And yet so-called racists and xenophobes aka right-wingers are slagged off, so there is absolute and utter zero discussion about anything whatsoever.

 

I'm not from there but I have listened in to the Brexit discussion a bit. I feel like I'd be a remainer; though I think that the UK will have success post-Brexit regardless... That being said, and from an objective standpoint, I think you have to be able to adamantly disagree with the likes of Nigel Farage and call out abuse in any form. That can lead to mislabeling or even nitpicking but in most cases it's immoral to ignore the obvious problem.

I think xenophobia is a real problem; less so as we move through time and the young & educated come into positions of authority.

 

When Trump was elected they basically protested for nothing, as they expected the world to end under Trumps leadership, or at least some kind of WW3.
Ultimately, he prevented an escalation of nuclear escalation (Iran), that in itself is quite an achievement considering all other nuclear armed nations were all for it. Surely, so-called lefty leaning people would appreciate less nuclear-knowledge nations is better for the world. Clearly not though.
Trump is a proper twat, but he's a very experienced and hardened businessman, he knows exactly how to negotiate - unlike 99% of politicians in the entire world.
Sometimes a country needs a kick up the ass to get its act together, and the voter who refuses such acceptance are the slack arses of society who want to work less for nothing for as high wage as possible to complain about anything and everything on anything.

 

With free speech always comes with both pro and negativity

People love security.
Xenophobia is basically no different to religion and yet our western nations promote freedom of religion? yet do not respect free speech nowadays. Farce?

 

Generational differences.
No wonder the black and brown communities cry out racist these days.
Imported families don't understand/appreciate the compromises that are given away for their privilege of claiming (all) white people have advantage over other people.
Of course more privileged white, so-called educated people promote this, they've got zero balls to speak up as its ALL about money regardless of any concerned situation. But you know, disagree then you don't deserve an opinion - and yet you're the fascist.

 

I think that he thinks he knows how to negotiate. I don't think he's all that persuasive or strategic though.

I agree. There are too many unqualified politicians.

 

I'd tend to agree with you?! but - he got a handshake from North Korea, so...

 

Yea.

I think that may be because a) they think it's there only opportunity to be in the frame with an American president and show they are a "major" world power, or b) they think they'll get something, be it sanctions lifted or financial aid. I think you're right though.

 

a) true.
b) true.

Yet lets keep slagging off Trump for even talking with them.

If only we could come to terms of how we all feel, and just blow the sh... out of them, in the name of world peace so then leftists will just shut the fcuk up about anything and everything ie Trump so then all western nations will have no worry whatsoever. But you know, some people still want to give N.Korea and Iran nuke tech.

 

Historically over the last 300 years, we have had numerous wars with the rest of Europe. from the Vikings, Spanish, French and more recently German armies and naval forces.
Meanwhile, we colonized many parts of the world, including Australia, Canada, the now United States, India and parts of Africa.
Over the years, while the US declared independence in 1776 with a certain amount of hostility, most other ares have become independent with little or no hostility on our part. As a result, these were historically the areas where we did most of our trade.

We knew that joining the EEC would affect this to some extent, but as the EU was formed, we saw it not as a trading agreement, but as empire building and trading with our former colonies was forced to decline, causing us a degree of embarrassment. and going far beyond us ratifying our existing trade deals with France (Concorde and food imports) Germany (mainly engineering) Italy (spicy processed meat, hard cheese, fashion and a few fast tinny cars).

We neither expected or wanted Eastern Europe to form in the way that it did, where trading agreements seemed to form less of the backbone of the agreements and we saw a dictatorship emerging. Unfortunately, some of these countries overstretched and ended up as no more than a burden on trading agreements, as far as we were concerned, (Greece being a good example)

The very thought of a European army fills us with horror.!!!!!

The EU is becoming a dictatorship and a dinosaur at the same time. Like the former British colonies, it needs to split up.
We are the first country to jump ship, but we won't be the last.
If I was a betting man, I would put my money on France to jump next.


While this all seems to deviate from the thread, I think that it answers the REAL question.
In a nutshell. We dislike the EU........ But at a personal level have no problems with the everyday people from any of the countries.

 

You have it in a nutshell.

I have just spent half an hour trying to explain it.
A detailed explanation would take me months and need a publisher.

 

I tried to keep my message fairly short, otherwise you would still be reading it now.
The big difference between British colonization and some others, is that we were looking for trade and we did not go around killing everyone. I am not saying that my ancestors were angels and their were some evil people among them, but people from our former colonies are generally still quite happy to visit and trade with us today.

We have a company trading in the UK, (a chain of grocery shops) where almost all the management and staff are from Sri Lanka. We don't want some bureaucrat in Brussels interfering and telling us that it is against EU policy.
It was simple things like that that has caused us to dissociate ourselves from the EU.
Following from this. I am sure that you would accept that if you wanted to live in London, we would check that you are not a career criminal, or wanted for a string of murders.
Unfortunately, criminal gangs from a few parts of eastern Europe, were free to walk into our country and commit continuous crimes. I am sure that the countries they came from were pleased to get rid of them, but it was not easy for us to kick them out.

 

@wilsjane How can the EU turn into a dictatorship when there's no dictator calling the shots? Wrong term i guess.
And why does a european army sounds that much worse than national armies? Doesn't it depend on the details what makes an army unwanted or nasty? Does an EU army automatically means no input from a national view anymore? Are all national armies thrown on a uniform pile in the name of an EU army by definition and solely steered by an EU leadership with no national say? Of course not.