Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

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  1. Shy0ne

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    Oh yes! Its official alrighty right! LOL

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    Its hard to find anything more official than that!:p
     
  2. Shy0ne

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    Like I said, if you 2 want to shift the focus to 911 be my guest and make a thread, I'll go 10 rounds with you, but I assure you that you wont be very happy because not only can I talk the talk I can walk the walk, and so far all you have both posted is 'opinions' and political rhetoric that agrees with you rather than argue in depth the actual substantial details of the event, and of course political rhetoric and opinions posted as fact doesnt cut in this girls world.
     
  3. Tishomingo

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    I'm sure you can "talk the talk" forever and a day. Talk, talk, talk is all you do. Who's listening?
     
  4. Tishomingo

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    Heavens to Murgatroyde! The Deep State strikes again!
     
  5. Shy0ne

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    Nice quote mining!
    Its no wonder you get so many things wrong, you pick out anything you think supports you and drop anything that does not.

    Walk the walk means I can argue anyone who supports the official conspiracy theory into the ground with FACTS! ;)

    Maybe, since we know for a FACT that the FBI and Biden sure had their deep state fingers in the censorship of conversations about Hunter boys computer on twitter! Elon Musk made it all public!

    You so sure you want argue with me about these things? Like I said make the thread, then you can project all you like, of course I will call it out like I do with all the logical fallacies you try to sneak past me. :D:p
     
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    The term “conspiracy theory”, as we’ve been using it here (except for Shy, that is) was coined by Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945). He identified “the conspiracy theory of society” in which history is portrayed as largely the intentional result of shadowy, anonymous groups. Insightfully, he described conspiracy theories as “the secularization of religious superstition”. By that, he means that similar psychological mechanisms that led people to believe in religion leads them to believe conspiracy theories.

    Douglas et al. identify three broad categories of psychological motives that conspiracy theories serve: epistemic (e.g., the desire for understanding and subjective certainty); existential (e.g., the desire for control and security), and social (e.g., the desire to maintain a positive image of self or group. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721417718261 These basically correspond to motives various theorists of religion have given for the origin and development of supernatural beliefs.

    1. Understanding: Conspiracies as Explanations

    A major function of conspiracy theories is to provide an explanation for events that otherwise might seem random. Especially, when things are going badly in the world or a person’s life, it might be more assuring to thing something or someone is responsible for it and to have some idea who or what it is—preliminary to the next step of doing something about it. I’ve known paranoid schizophrenics who were convinced the Trilateral Commission or the telephone company were out to get them and were responsible for everything going wrong in their lives. At least it gave them something to focus on and avoid accepting any of the responsibility.

    Conspiracy theories offer “simple solutions to complex problems” (Daniel Jolley, University of Nottingham, in Why do people believe in conspiracy theories? ), enabling the True Believer to make sense if complex events. conspiracy theories tell you that the world is simple, predictable, and its evils are entirely solvable—granted you’re in on the “secret” knowledge that a group of bad guys control everything and need to be defeated at all costs. The reality, of course, is that the world is complex, chaotic, and messy, but believers prefer to live in a fools’ paradise. Michael Shermer (2022). Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational.

    Psychologist Michael Schermer hypothesizes that two major psychological factors that contributed to the origins of religion were what he calls “patternicity” and “agenticity”. (Shermer, June 2009) Scientific American. Why People Believe Invisible Agents Control the World These are patterns of perception rooted in human evolution that once were critical to survival. Patternicity is the tendency to perceive patterns in one’s surroundings. It’s the ability that enabled humans to make predictions an determine probability. Agenticity is the tendency to ascribe agency to ambiguous phenomena. If a prehistoric human encountered something that could be either a log or a crocodile, assuming a crocodile had survival value. Skeptical empiricists who insisted on more evidence were soon eliminated from the gene pool, so that their descendants tended to be true believers. “We believe that these intentional agents control the world, sometimes invisibly from the top down (as opposed to bottom-up causal randomness)”. Shermer, 2009).

    Both of these tendencies are highly correlated with receptivity to conspiracy theories. They can be helpful, or not harmful, but sometimes they can be overdone, resulting in the conditions called apophenia, the tendency to perceive patterns when none are there, and pareidola, seeing visual patterns when none are there. Seeing Patterns: What It Means and More

    A 2018 study found that illusory pattern perception is a central cognitive mechanism accounting for conspiracy theories and supernatural beliefs. Eur J Soc Psychol. 2018 Apr; 48(3): 320–335. Several experiments showed that feelings of powerlessness or lack of personal control increases the tendency to perceive illusory patterns. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1159845

    Agenticity results in a marked preference for explanations attributed to plannning human agents rather than natural events, especially threat agents they already distrust. In particular, they tend to blame a threat on “agents” they may already have reason to distrust. "This is why various COVID-19 conspiracy theories blame “the Chinese” who have long been political targets in Europe and the US, or pharmaceutical companies whose influence is criticised in the anti-vax and anti-psychiatry movements." Conspiracy theories may seem irrational – but they fulfill a basic human need

    For a you tube video emphasizing illusory pattern detection as a cause of believing in conspiracy theories, try why people believe in conspiracy theories - Yahoo Video Search Results

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  7. Shy0ne

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    How odd it seems they forgot to talk about the ones that are true! LOL

    I suppose it's a good way to attempt to suppress a thorough investigation.

    can't wait!

    Did you make a thread on 911 yet? :cool:

    I thought you just admitted that there were several conspiracy theories that end up being true?

    So then they're not all delusional like your citations want to imply?

    Maybe you are advocating that the only source of truth is the government again?
     
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    :laughing:
     
  9. MeAgain

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    Interesting. All I can find is that Musk released some Tweets from journalist Matt Taibbi that show that the Post thought that a story they were going to air might be a Russian disinformation campaign.
    So the conspiracy theory, as we have seen, has an element of truth, but upon close inspection we see no valid accusation or fact, of the Deep State doing anything. In fact we don't even have a clear definition of who or what the Deep State is and how they pulled off this censorship of a private company, which isn't agaisnt the Constitution anyway. A private company can censor anything it wants.
     
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    The FBI paid Twitter $3.5 million from October 2019 to February 2021 to process its moderation requests, according to documents released by Elon Musk.

    Ex-Twitter executives now say they forget key details of censoring Post's Hunter Biden laptop scoop

    FBI reached out to Twitter before Post broke Hunter Biden ...
    https://nypost.com › 2022/12/19 › fbi-reached-out-to-...

    Dec 19, 2022 — The FBI pressured Twitter to suppress The Post's blockbuster scoop about Hunter Biden's laptop by warning it could be part of a Russian ...

    ICYMI: Stefanik Exposes FBI's Collusion With Twitter to ...
    House.gov
    https://stefanik.house.gov › icymi-stefanik-exposes-fbi...


    Mar 9, 2023 — ICYMI: Stefanik Exposes FBI's Collusion With Twitter to Suppress Accurate Reporting on Hunter Biden's Laptop Story, an Attack on Free Speech.


    ICYMI: Stefanik Exposes FBI's Collusion With Twitter to Suppress Accurate Reporting on Hunter Biden's Laptop Story, an Attack on Free Speech
    March 9, 2023
    Washington, D.C. – Congresswoman Elise Stefanik, a member of the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government and a senior member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, today questioned journalists Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger on their insight into the FBI’s communication with Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story and the partisan censorship they – and other journalists – have experienced for their accurate reporting of the truth on the Twitter Files.



    government use of a private proxy to commit a constitutional violation is a crime. last time I checked the FBI is falls under the umbrella of 'government'. :p
     

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  11. MeAgain

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    From your post..
    And lets remember Twitter is a private company, they can sensor anything they want.
    Again Twitter is a private company. And...
    And so on....

    So the FBI was concerned about Russian interference with the elections, as Russia had done so in the past, they asked Twitter to hold a story about emails supposedly on Hunter Biden's laptop as they thought the emails might be Russian..and Twitter held off as they have every right to do as they are a private company.

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  12. Shy0ne

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    NO its not!

    A public company is one that sells shares to the public at large, usually on a market like the New York Stock Exchange [NYSE]. May 26, 2022

    Public vs. Private Companies: Key Differences - SmartAsset.com


    TWTR
    Twitter Inc (TWTR)
    Twitter Inc Stock Price Today | NYSE TWTR Live Ticker

    So the FBI 'thinks it might be disinformation' therefore they have the right to ban and censor free speech in america at will! :eek:

    Nothing Burger?

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    Apparently you are ok with burning the Constitution?


    Frankly Im a bit shocked that anyone would down play such a repugnantly disturbing violation of Constitutional rights.

    They are not a private corporation. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Shy0ne

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    No they cant.

    When a private company is under contract to the government, they can be sued for violating your constitutional rights.

    Can You Sue a Private Company for Constitutional Violations?
    noelcaldwell.com
    https://www.noelcaldwell.com › faq › can-you-sue-a-pri...


    You do understand that was a contract I assume? Even if they were private they can be sued for Constitutional violations.

    Are you not aware of these things? Your defense and claim of nothing burger leads me to believe you advocate criminal activity?
     

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    How many times have you spoken that query in your life?

    My grandfather taught me never to bother debating a woman. I'm not sure that's 100 percent applicable - but I've found unfailingly that the principle does apply to today's democrats. Complete w.o.t.a.e.
     
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  15. Shy0ne

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    and people wonder how someone likt trump could possibly get into office.

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    making our ever increasing banana republic a better place to live for our kids!

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    Trying to reverse the country away from its "banana republic" status will most likely requite another Trump. Several consecutively in all probability.
     
  17. MeAgain

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    Okay, public company. The point is Twitter isn't a government entity and the government made no law prohibiting Twitter or the Post from saying anything they want.
    The FBI nor any governmental entity didn't ban anything, they made a request or a suggestion, Twitter then acted on its own. Please cite the law the part of the first they violated. Did they smash a printing press, wipe hard drives or servers, lock up an editor, issue a prohibition to publish, threaten litigation? What exactly did they do that upsets you?
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    I thought they were a public company..but anyway...
     
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    Ah, yes, Stanford University, that bastion of free speech. ............................................................ I heard that The IRS paid an unannounced visit to Matt Taibbi's home.

    When the FBI suggests somthing its best to comply, No?


    [So the FBI was concerned about Russian interference with the elections, as Russia had done so in the past, they asked Twitter to hold a story about emails supposedly on Hunter Biden's laptop as they thought the emails might be Russian..and Twitter held off as they have every right to do as they are a private company.]

    come on now, you are a better person to be carrying water for this garbage.
     
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    So here we go again, you throw out a completely erroneous claim that Standford is anti free speech, with no facts to back it up of course. Pure B.S.
    So?
    Depends.
    You believe the FBI is always out to enslave us?
    It seems you think the FBI has no right to try and protect the integrity of our elections. I thought that was part of their mandate:
    In doing so they interact with private (public) businesses.
    Would you rather they look the other way when they suspect the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, etc. are trying to influence our elections by using social media?

    Oh , wait those quotes are put out by the "Deep State" socialist, liberal, anti American American government. And we all know the American government is as anti American as you can get.
     
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