Why does everyone fear acid?

I dont know you might need a fuckin lot to lose control. Maybe you are less affected than your friends , or that your perception of the trip is weaker. But 8 hits damn, I wqouldnt be able to control my body half the time id have to lay down.

What your lookin for is losin control I guess

Even on 8 hits, yuo dont get a part, where like, you see yourself from outside, or everyhtings like swirling and drowning in fractals?

You would like experiencing ego loss...but mayeb you have already. Its a transition, really obvious transition, its like passing from the whole weight of the world to floating i nheaven or sometn

 

Well, a 2 hit trip can be more intense than an 8 hit trip, even from the same batch, you can't measure acid so easily in terms of hits, it depends on so much else.

btw, I've had experiences on acid very close to some of those depicted on Fear and Loathing in fact at the time they were far scarier. Perhaps the most insane and intense experience, was that of being physically born out of a womb. I was having a massive paranoid trip, I was forcing myself back to a sense of reality, something that was a ridiculously stupid thing to do. What I found going through my mind, and all my bodily sensations, were everything that reality meant. Everything that defined reality.

I think a clichéd way of putting it, was that my ego was rebuilding itself. Yea that makes sense. Anyway, it wasn't just a case of imagining it, I even felt a sticky naked sensation all over my body. I actually felt fully like a baby being born out of a womb, or at least, what my body would imagine that to feel like, and I was dragged out kicking and screaming - literally. It was actually my friends trying to calm me down, as I thrashed around in the undergrowth

 

hehe...cant get directly from baby to adult hmmm

This time you say you were rebulding... for me I find its like in the morning , ya know, when you wake a little and feel good , and go back to sleep then wake again...until its like now lets get up, and you are in peace

But if I try to get my shit together though before time it will go bad

 

Yea.. I definitely tried to get my shit together too fast I was struggling, I was willing myself back to a state of being, it wasn't a good idea

 

hmmm thrashing aroind in the undergrowth & feeling like your being reborn & yet you still feel like your not getting high enough?

try meditation maybe
sure its not like putting a paper in your mouth & asking for ez answers & instead getting lost & confused along the way..
but i'm guessing itsthe only route that will take you were you really want to go

 

You're thinking of someone else I feel I got plenty high enough. Far too high. I haven't done acid since then

 

I actually came to some conclusions about ego death earlier in the week, I know that I've experienced the typical definition of ego death (though not like everyone else) and I've experienced it in a different sense - the willful destruction of the self, to create a new "me."

I think it was hemisphere said it right - I want to feel the real power of LSD, and to do that I need to feel out of control. There was ONE TIME during a trip about a year ago for about five minutes I felt like I was going to lose it, but I think that was more from mental fatigue. Fractals on top of shimmering room, which was all topsy-turvy, and I felt like it needed to stop. But I got a hold of myself fairly easily, wouldn't let myself fight it. The analogy that I used to explain it is running with someone, with an olympic athelete, and you're keeping pace with him. And then for a second you falter and he pulls ahead...and then you're right back with him.

That's how I feel about LSD...I feel like I can keep pace with whatever, and I'm worried that even though I want my world deconstructed, it won't happen. Eagle - I'm not asking for easy answers, and I know that the questions I struggle with LSD won't show me by itself. I know that my problem with acid is how I think - I don't need acid to realize the things people have realized. My one friend took acid for the first time and said that he understood my point of view a lot better, but that my thoughts, the way I look at life and how things work still tripped him out. I don't seek answers from acid, I seek the possibilities of the human mind through chemical indulgence.

I would like to experience other drugs such as DMT and that kind of thing, maybe some different combinations...though maybe my problem is that I've always tried to see what can happen...maybe I need to try and fight it sometime, try and act sober.

 

Yea.. it sounds to me like you'd like DMT DMT is pretty much the pinacle of what chemicals can do to the human mind. I've not tried it.. I shall someday though

 

But thats when you know its goin to happen (ego loss)

It becomes so overwhelming (or joyful, whatever) that pooof if you can get the hang of it youre out! Otherwise welcome back bedhead! And it starts again.

Gettin a hold of yourself in this time, well it says it, you keep the sense of self from dissolving.

I tell you! I find its scary shit when it starts to happen an hour into! But its just breaking the ice.

 

DMT is no joke peoples. I could trip in any setting off other shit, but DMT, around the wrong people or in the wrong environment is hellish.

You should probably be a bit more experienced in the psychedelic headspace before plunging into DMT.

 

Man I cant imagine this stuff...

But neuronaut seems like a hardhead or something maybe its the thing for him

 

DMT isn't about what it does to your environment though. If you do it properly, you're in a whole other world.

 

^^^but everything in your mind is in some way influenced by your surroundings.

 

I don't have a whole lot of experience with pyschedelics, but grapefruity hit the nail on the head...for some reason, I've developed the ability to just come to terms with any situation VERY quickly.

And I know the group of people I would do it with, I just have to educate them on how to be good trip sitters. The one kid in particular hardly even smokes pot, he's just one of those people that LOVES to drink, but isn't really into anything else...when I took those 8 doses the other night, he did shit to mess with me without even realizing it (and when he did realize it, it didn't make me mad at all) even though he knows next to nothing about tripping.

It's just a matter of finding these other substances.

 

DMT can be made relatively easily at home. Check out www.shroomery.org or erowid.com for some procedures for making it. You might have to buy the base ingredients online, but it's all legal and non-suspect stuff like tree-bark.

 

lol, please, enlighten me on what "dmt is about." Cause I'm dying to know.

 

Wait yeah...cuz what else IS a trip, but how your perception of your environment is changed? If you don't want your environment to change at all, why not just smoke pot or drink?

I checked out DMT synthesis, doesn't seem terribly difficult, and I have a friend who is fairly advanced in chemistry for his age, is a chemistry major. But as I was looking all that up, I thought...why not just grow shrooms? That seems to be the easiest way to get a lot of pyschedelic matterial, and I think that's what I need.

 

Sure your perception is so skewed on dmt that you really can't make out your surroundings, but the environment is more than just your visual surroundings, and it does affect your trip.

A friend who smoked wayyy too much like probably almost a tenth, met an alien who told him some shit and saw a bunch of other wacky stuff. He later figured out that the commercial for that new video game with aliens who take over earth was on tv, but at the time he did not know.

 

A breakthrough DMT trip is more like a dream than an alteration of your environment. You are in another place. Read up on some DMT trip reports.

In the moments before and after the peak there are apparently some hallucinogenic effects, but that's not the true DMT experience, rather, what surrounds it.

If you don't get what you want from 8 tabs of acid (or however much it was you said), you'd need to eat a fuckload of shrooms to get it. DMT can't really be compared to acid or shrooms.

 

What bullshit. Learn more about DMT, read some of Terrence McKenna's books, whatever. Meeting "aliens" is a VERY common aspect of a DMT trip, some would say one of the defining aspects. It's reported by many independent sources (or things of that nature - if not aliens, elves, or human forms, often female)

It had shit all to do with what was on TV at the time, or if it did, your mate just didn't breakthrough and was trying to convince himself he was seeing aliens based on what he knew of the drug.