Why does God hate Africa?

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This makes tons of sense. Sooooo...would you say that the fat, happy bloated west is filled with souls who have traveled far along the path to karma and can even begin to enjoy heaven on EARTH???

Or is our paradigm just off somehow.

What if i really am Dives feasting on the finest fruits while Lazarus begs my servants for scraps?? (didnt i already post this? I do hope those servants would give him some scraps.)

ALSO, extra question: Is it possible that those ppl suffering in refuge camps fleeing from murder rape and torture actually have it BETTER than I do? Do that at least have some inner peace? I have no idea. Maybe I'd trade all my electronics for inner peace. But no! I'm glad my lot isn't to live on a pillar in a desert. No that's not the life for me. Plus I smoke!

 

I don't think the west is happy. A majority is at risk of heart disease and cancer, stressed, depressed and every other kind of messed up. They wear a mask of happiness, but they are seething within. But that is their step in evolution. I am nobody to judge that this person is more evolved than that person. All I can say for sure is that each is on an evolutionary path, a part of which is the current situation they are going through.

 

And yes, it is definitely possible to be eternally blissful in the midst of every kind of physical suffering. Take Ramana Maharishi for example, who spent his entire life owning nothing but 2 loincloths, living in a small cave. He meditated for 6 months in the Arunachala temple at Thiruvannamalai, in a cellar beneath the temple. He was found, emanciated, stiff, bitten raw by insects, yet radiant with joy, not wanting to be disturbed.

There are hundreds of other examples I can cite, of people who seem to be undergoin great hardship, while remaining blissful.

I am not saying africans are enjoying their plight. I am saying that joy and sorrow are not related to external situations. True joy comes from rising beyond all matter.

 

What could have happened is that you just picked some definition off the first website you found, assumed it to represent what I am saying, failed to understand it anyway and attempted to pass that on to me.

I don't see any benefit for anyone by continuing this conversation.

 

No not at all.. tell me your definition .. the one i used was one i have read before in slightly diffrent forms..but prety much the same.

That should have been 'read what i about too say'..i missed your first point , continued on and then went back. Realising i had hopefuly covered what i thought ?... just said read 'what i have said i just can't understand the logic' sorry if it seemed arrogant of me..

I did say

If you feel like your just bashing your head against a wall ,fair enough.

 

Karma does not make value judgments of good or bad. In physics it is the law that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Basically, what you do comes back to you. You have to face the consequences of each and every action you perform, either in this life or the next.

A murderer may be killed in his prime in his next life. A trader who hoards food during famine may suffer from lack of food. Someone who is gentle and kind to others may recieve love and help from unexpected places.

That is the law of karma.

 

I asked this question to a friend today and he could not answer the question i am asking.. I understand your definition of karma.. my point was (now taking on board what you say) how odd is it is it too say "africa' has not done anything bad or good but is suffering badly for neither a good or bad action ?...it just is suffering because of karma .. it makes no sense either way you can atribute karma .. and make the philosophy work.. but you give a e.g of good begetting good ad bad begetting bad .. so africa has done something bad.. what is this ? thats all wanted too know ..

Are both the same definition .. so why were you a bit hostile ?.

 

You just don't understand. I'm afraid I have neither the words nor the patience to explain.

 

shame you don't have the patience .. thanks for trying.

 

Becuase everybody in Africa moved to America before YOU KNEW it!

 

? explain

 

God hates Africa because it gave him herpes

 

Some general comments on the thread:

Blaming the suffering of Africans on Karma? True, they are human and aren't exempt from karma; but much of the badness was done by other people with their own free will, done TO them. Exploiting imperialist European nations, run by greed and racism, it has had lasting ramifications, disrupting their own cultures and countries, then later leaving a power vacuum (among all kinds of other problems).

Plus, the weather isn't affected by karma, it just is what it is. People in Africa probably worry more about the rains than they do about the capitalists. Not trying to pin the African peoples as purely innocent victims, they're human too, have the same faults and weaknesses as any of us. Just saying, there's more than karma in the world.

Anyways, is africa really that unique? I mean, it's a whole damn continent, it's very diverse. There are stable governments, and unstable governments. Just like in North America, South America, Europe and Asia. The everyday life of many of the people isn't great, many starve in Africa, but that's not the only place. It may be the worst at the moment (I really can't say) but like Blackguard has said, shit has happened everywhere. The Native North Americans have been decimated, it's still happening in South America, Australia was a land of killings, all kinds of shit has gone down in Asia. Famine happens everywhere throughout history, so have wars and diseases.

Not trying to make light of the tragedies that unfold daily around the world and especially in Africa...but it's nothing new under the sun...

 

From what i have read already , only if you believe in Karma ..if you can explain it further than has already been explained ? go for it ... individual triumph after adversety, i can agree with that but karma ? mmm i don't believe it works past just it being a double edged sword and can always be justified whatever the outcome .. Imho it is just something to say to explain things in the context of the religeon your in ?.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USASafrica.htm




I don't think it was racism ?. I am sure they happily traded with the African chiefs ... Jump onto a foreign sand and unaware of who your going to meet, i think you would need all the local 'help' possible. Granted to carry out horrible exploitation but not racism as we may define it today.
I am sure like the quote says they just wanted fit healthy bodies to work for nothing (heck not a lot has changed, we just call it imigration .. ok ok thats probably unfair :& ).
I also think it was the local criminals or the losers in tribal wars that got used as slaves .. then the local chiefs saw that the (buyers) wanted more this probably brought about even more exploitation and a harsh form of justice to put more people in jail (too eventualy sell) .. being 'bad' or a 'criminal' i suppose justified this trade. Then when supply could not cover demand (no more docile victims ) through this practice ? well things had too change for the worst (at the start). I think for the better as people looked at what they were actualy doing.. Racism of 'colored people' deffinitly occured once the 'owners' got back... 'just the way things are' mentality.

Well if all of Africa had the same ability to trade as other parts of the world , and stopped fighting , better goverments etc etc . I am sure they would be as we are (positives and negatives)..

This karma thing is weird, is it holding up the belief of 'reincarnation' 'redemption' and a whole host of other religous beliefs..this is probably my problem i don't believe in gods or have any religous beliefs ...

So 'shit happens' all over the world because of all diffrent reasons and their are a multitude of diffrent people (good and bad) all over the world ...how can people still equate it with Karma (still hazy about that concept ? or possibly not actualy ) ..Imho the original thought of 'why does god hate africa' is just dragging god into the equation (and karma etc) to well just drag it into all reasoning like 'why did god allow the tsuanmi' .. well imho 'he' did not, as usual random acts of our unstable planet created a disaster for us little beings on its back and thats it.

 

I now have to take back and give to this latecome TrippinBTM>>>>>

Yup, he's gotta be the winner. With that kick on karma which was exactly my point he would have to take first prize.

What the heck did a poor 4 year old boy starving in Sudan whose mother was gangraped and father was slaughtered do? What is he, some kind of reincarnation of Adloph f'n Hitler? NO. he's an innocent chap!

Meanwhile, why should I be lucky to be living a life (recently) of unbelievable luxury and contentment??? Maybe I was an slave all through history and just emerged into the promised land? :::White in U.S. North America 2005. ???

whatever.

God is responsible for when it rains, too. Blame global warming or whatever now but a thousand years ago when they had droughts??? c'mon.

Yes, every people race and tribe can claim some horrific persecution. Africa just sticks out b/c it's so obviously been agreived as a continent for what seems an interminable amount of time.

It's just interesting that God still doesn't help the ppl of FREAKIN GUdddamn Sudan!! Of course, I know. I'm sposed to do it, right???

props also go of course to MATTHEW, however, I can't really read all so much.

(f.u.)

 

ermm... maybe because god doesnt exists?

 

Hey, smlchance, I'm not sold completely on karma (in that I'm not sold on reincarnation) so I don't really know if a child's suffering is his own fault from a previous life, I don't tend to believe that. I feel karma is a real law, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, cause and effect, you get what you give. I definitely believe in it, I just figure it happens while we're alive; but regardless, I think there's more to the world than karma. Tsunamis, floods, droughts...these things happen because the earth is active and shifting. Plus, people have free will, they can choose to do evil, to rape the lands for profit, leaving others in abject poverty.

And Matthew, you're right, the African tribes had a hand in the slavery issue. I never said they were perfect on that continent (in fact I said they were like all other humans, good and evil). I do think that the imperialism/colonialism that occured on that contintent had a devestating effect that those countries are still recovering from. The European-drawn lines on the maps that were irrespective of tribes and nationalities has not helped in forming stable countries. Their own corrupt leaders of course are also not helping.

 

yeah i am sure the history books bare this out..plus how 'britain' and many other european counties under diffrent names rulers and boundaries were plundered 'raped' etc etc we all have been the 'bad' guys i suppose ..and if this karma thing is true given a whole continent rather than individuals then maybe africa has done something to deserve what they are going through.. justifying it all in this way is a bit wrong imho, so i can't buy karma and yeah i think i understand it perfectly now.

 

another winner!!! omg, that might be the truth!! We might really be fucked if GOD is really a Jew/Christian/Moslem/Mormon (where would He end?).

But isn't it strange the ppl turned out so differently than expected that we confused, angered and failed our Creator. Isn't that f'd up?

What is it called when someone believes that God is the same religion as he or she is?

I asked my good catholic friend (who only follows scripture in light of the teachings of the magisterium) if the church taught that God is a catholic. And he froze for a second and then goes, well...God is first of all a Patriot (referencing the N.E. Patriots football dynasty). Funniest thing I've heard yet this year of 2005.

God save us! Already@!!!!