Why I don't argue/debate Christians anymore

i never said evil was a good thing! i actual do not believe it based on misreading, i am not a christian, so therefore i do not have to reference a book, i believe God created everything, i think we must agree too disagree, i believe God created absolutely everything, every emotion, every thought we have, every choice, but it is up to us to choose. and this is one of the definition why i cannot believe christianity fully, because philosophically then your God is impossible, well YOUR description is. i don't think we can come to a conclusion on this, as i believe what you are saying is actually impossible and illogical. i do respect your view, but i think in this situation, i can't believe the absolute impossible
peacex

 

yeah exactely, if evil was created and is possible, then where did it come from? if evil created before mankind but after God created everything, then what was it

 

Well I believe the reason we disagree on this, is because my belief is based on the Bible, where as your belief is based on your human concept of reality.
I believe human understanding is rather fluid, where the Bible is pretty much fixed. A question for you would be. Is the Bible true, and can it be trusted?
I understand that you believe that God created everything, which also includes concepts and evil that transends, and counterdicts Scripture. Yet a second question for you would be. What do you base that belief on, and can that belief be trusted?

 

okay, ill answer those for my present opinion and view, although i don't think i am even close to gaining my knowledge of God yet, and who knows you may be right.
i think the Bible is not entiley true by modern interpretation, i think some of the things in in were lessons and i think it is basically a advise book on how to live our life. Just my view at present. I think things such as creation/complete world flooding etc were moralistic stories that didn't actually happen (granted the flood on smaller scale). i think the Bible can be trusted, but i believe its words can be twisted to mean anything, because it is only mere humans who try to understand it entilely.

i base my belief on not one particular thing, i appeciate this life, i love life, i believe in God- not entiley sure of how i would define said God yet, apart from creator of all. i take things from different sources, i take some things from the bible, especially my morals and ethics, and i love jesus's message. i am not sure if my belief can be trusted as i don't believe in anything 100%, i don't think humans have the intelligence to ever know all
peacex

 

If all the stories in the Bible are not true, how does one know which part of the Bible can be trusted and believed? If the Bible is a Book laced with stories of fiction, where does fiction end, and the truth begin?

 

and that is why i cannot fully trust the Bible, i trust the lessons, but i do not trust the stories. are you saying that christians who believe in evolution (such as most christians outside north america) cannot be christian as the Bible doesn't mention evolution.

I do not know which stories are true and which are not, therefore i cannot trust the stories, but i can trust their message
peacex

 

Well, I believe the Bible doesen't mention Evolution, because I believe Evolution never happened. Belief in Evolution will not prevent you from being a Christian, yet what the Bible does mention, appears to have more evidence. You might consider some of the evidence for the Flood story. This is but one link there are a number.

http://www.theoutlaws.com/unexplained9.htm

 

thanks for the link, as i say i don't knoe enough to make major decision on what is correct. however, the debate on evolution seems to be only happening in the US, here in the EU, most christians accept evolution, and that creation can fit into the theory. i do at present believe in evolution, because there are modern evolutions happening in other animals at present, also human have changed, our height, bones, humans have evolved.

it isn't even questioned in Europe, the majority of scientists completely agree, i do not think the story of creation from the Bible has more evidence, i think this is the human ego speaking, evolution fits, and actually i beleive this makes the bible more believable. because if this wasn't true, that would mean that God made earth then rested for a long long time before putting humans on the planet. i think it looks a lot better if evolution was Gods plan
peacex

 

There is a number of things going on about the existance of the Ark that most know little about. Pictures from space have phtographed to man made objects on the Top of Mount Arrat about 1200 feet apart. There have been over the years eye witness accounts from American military personal that have claimed to of seen it. What makes the accounts believable is the fact that their discriptions of the Ark match in every detail. The account from these men say they saw the ark and it was broken in two. They said the wood was like stone but without question it was the Ark. They now have a gps fix on these objects, but Turkey refuses to allow any westerners on the mountain. I know this for a fact, because I spoke with one of the groups that were going to go up there last year. And suddenly the Turkish government refused them entry. There have also been some major discoveries which confirm the Red Sea crossing by the Children of Israel. You might check out these links.

http://bibleprobe.com/exodus.htm
http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/redsea.htm
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/redsea.html
http://english.sdaglobal.org/evangelism/arch/redsea.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/MtSinaiPAX.htm

 

i would like to thank you for all of these links, i will try and read them all, i have finished the fist noah one and it was extremely interesting. i must admit, i knew absolutely nothing about christianity untill easter of this year, as i have been raised in amulticultural city here in the UK where christianity isn't even in the top 3 relgions by numbers. and it has got be so interested since easter (when i met my ex girlfriend- whose dad was a pastor) so i love learning more about it.

i will never say you are definately wrong, just to clarify that, because i will say my view at the time, jsut so i can get answers. i am not christian at present though. i do love learning about christianity, and i have to admit, it terrifies me

 

"Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘ These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And[c]honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me."


" Tell us, therefore, what do You think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?”
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, “Why do you test Me, you hypocrites? "

 

Watch your mouth asshole.

 

All I can say is I became a Christian at the age of eleven. I am now 55 years old, and this Jesus Christ is a God of Wonder. I love Him, and my experiences with Christ are beyond belief. He is so amazing, believe me, Jesus is not dead, He is alive. And He is coming again like He said He would. There really is a SUPERMAN. If you know Christ, there is no reason to fear. Yet, I know in this world, there are some terrible times ahead.

 

see there is the passion i admired when i first came across my christian friends. spread the love. if you are correct i comend you for spreading the word. i will keep learning and see where it takes me, i have a lot more to learn, i can't let just accept things.
peacex

 

could you tell me just the basic details of the end times- i know there are threads on it, but this is one part of christianity that scares me, what will happen exactely? because i know that some believe it has started, and we are in the end times at present, what signs will show that we are
peacex

 

wow just realized how big this thread was, over 300 posts, pretty impressive

 

A change will come to the Russian goverment, hard liners back in power. They will threaten America with a nuke war. many Americans over a period of two years will leave the states. Great fear. Most of the Jews will return to Israel to escape. A deal will be cut and Russia and her allies will move on Israel. God will move against Russia and destroy five sixths of their invading army. Israel spared, Russia will believe it was a trick by America. Without warning they will attack USA. America destroyed in one hours time. Just before missiles hit, Christ removes the real church from off the earth. Jews discover who Christ is but to late for to be removed. Europe becomes the leader of the western world. Europes leader is the anti Christ. Now things go from bad to worse. 7 years of Hell on earth. At the end of 7 years Christ will return. I do not see this happening for at least another 28 years. The Jews must be a peace with their neighbors before this happens, and the Jews must rebuild there Temple.
There are more details, but this is the short of it. Not many Christian know about this prophecy, usually not talked about in most churches. Have to run will catch you later. Take care.

 

thank you, i have only come across one christian who knows a bit about the end times, but i am miles from her now .
again thank you for all the information and links, i do really appreciate it.
i should really go to sleep now, early start tommorow.
thanks, peace and love michael

 

You refuse to answer if the Bible is the true word of God... yet you will use it to attempt to correct me... I do not get it...

YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF I WORSHIP JESUS WITH MY HEART OR NOT only Jesus knows that.

Answer the question: IS THE BIBLE THE TRUE WORDS OF GOD??

 

See Kharakov even fuzzy can give a straight answer...