Why I don't argue/debate Christians anymore

you gave Gods war as a reason why war is okay and even a good thing!

Attack al qaueda, there is a differece between Iraq and al queda, believe me, your little president has got you and your view wrapped around his little finger, iraq were not a threat to the US. i think therefore that the rest of the world should attack the US because the consequences of the US empire outweigh us not doing so.

 

What you believe agrees with the media. Going along with what you believe is the same thing as going along with the media.

Is there no terrorsist in Iraq?

 

there is terrorists in iraq after the invasion, they came to fight the US and most are not from Iraq, there are terrorist in every country, the ones who committed the London bombing were from the UK, does that mean you can blow the hell out a nation because it has some terrorists, and that wasn't the reason why george hypocrit christian bush decided on going.

i wondered why there was so much hate towards you and your father when i first came into these forums, but now i know. I usually do not get angry but you and your views are really screwed up

 

freesmile,

-Is war ever just?

Is there Al queda in Iraq?

 

in my opinion the only time armed forces should interven is in peace keeping missions.
i answered the above question below. there was not before the US led invasion

 

I usually do not talk politics nor do they really interest me. You are the first person that I have ever really talked about Politics with on the forums... The people hate us because we talk the Bible not because we talk politics.

 

well i study international politics, so i do tend to talk about it a bit, well i don't hate you because you talk about the Bible, i repsect christianity and love studying it, but you in my opinion are not coming across as a real christian, i dislike you now because you are a hypocrite, a war accepting christian in my opinion is a contradiction. all of my christian friends, codem war and murder especially unjust wars, where it is clear what is going on, yet you do not

 

So the questions is was there al qaeda in Iraq before the war?

If there was, then the war was just because the U.S. was attempting to stop the spread of terrorism. If there was no al queda in Iraq before they started to fight then the war was unjust.

Can you please supply an article that states that there was no al qaeda in Iraq before the war began.

 

I would like to learn more about your political views.

I do not believe that war is wrong unless it is for the wrong reasons. Which is the debate for the Iraq war.

I have to go to class... nice talking to ya: )

 

al queda don't really exist as a solid identity, they are like an idea that many agree on, for example, certain bombers may say they are al qaeda but they just believe the same ideals, and use the name to gain funding and support and spread fear ever the world. they are like an invisible multi-national corporations and trying to do damage that multinational companies do

the war was very very unjust, modern warfare surrounds hidden meaning, the public will never be told the truth because war is rarely about moral issues.

the reason bush gave for going to war was that saddam had links to al queda not that they were in Iraq, which also proved to be wrong as both al queda and saddam disagreed on islam. i found a US article for you on this http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

have fun in class
peacex

 

Well this has certainly turned into an interesting discussion.

Here's an article about the pre-war intelligence:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...0,0,2053900,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

 

Well, if you are speaking of the East Gate prophecy, could you point out where the prophecy is wrong?

 

Well, I can see you put a lot of thought into that statement. Now could you explain to me what battle you are talking about? And could you explain where I act against the Bible? Or would that require to much thought or detail for you?

 

I think your statement is a little to general. The United States is not at war with the rest of the world. Yet history has taught us, that if you let your enemies build up their strength , and you do not oppose them, they will finally attack you not in weakness, but in strength. Had Europe moved against Hitler in the beginning, they could of saved millions of lives. Yet, Europe simply sat back and watched Hilter break every treaty Germany had ever singed. And let Hilter build a war machine that almost destroyed Europe. 50 to 60 million people died in World II. And they died, because those who could of done something, did nothing. So you believe we should follow their example? The Bible makes the statement, if it is possible live peaceablly with all men. As you can see, that is not always possible. Sadam, was giving $25,000 dollars to any family whos relative would strap a bomb on their body, and kill as many Jews in Israel as they could. So is this the kind of peace you support. We should allow this to continue, because after all, it's only Jews they are killing?

 

I could make an arguement for the war, but it really comes down to the fact that Bushes ban on late term abortions will insure more people will be alive years from now, then will of been killed off in this temoprary war. You support the Democrats that believe it is ok for woman to continue to kill off their children. I support Republicans who are against the murder of these children. You don't care about the 50 million dead Americans. And you don't care that they will kill another 50 million more Americans in the years to come. So please, don't even talk to me about the loss of life in the war. Because the loss of life, is not really a big thing with you anyway. What I see, is you are someone who does not like a Republican president, and now you are trying to claim the moral high ground for your opposition to the war. I sorry freesmile, if you support those who support abortion, then forget about the moral high ground arguement.

 

I'm sorry, but the evidence was the same evidence that everyone in both parties imbraced. And was believed by most of Europe. So if Bush lied so did everone else in the congress and the senate. And maybe we could of had better evidence if are former President did not slash millions of dollars from the intelligence budget. Sad to say, that President had more important things to do in the Oval office. And maybe 911 would of never happened if that President would of accepted Yemens offer to hand Binloden over to us. But as Clinton stated, ''I did not think he was that bad of a terrorist''. By the way fuzzy, when Nam was going on, I had a high number and never would of been called, but I still enlisted in the Navy and applied for UDT Training. And that was after I got caught on the 7,400 volt eletrical line. I received an honorable discharge after they discovered that one of my bones was still dissolving in my foot from the eletrical shock that occured 7 months before.

 

first things fisrt, i am not a democrat, i so not even live in the states, i am a green party member as i believe our planet is the most important thing, and actualy will save more people in the long run, a lor more than abortions create. i do believe pollution will cause greater deaths than abortions ever will.

i don't actually think you have read any of my posts clearly, because you are generalizing me now, i am not against bush just because he is a republican, hell i didn't like clinton either. i use my morals and ethics on all, no matter what they supposibly stand for.

you also can forget about the moral highground, if you support people who do not care about the environment because of the future deaths it will create, these babies you are saving are going to be brought up in a world of disaster because of the state of the planet we have left it in.

 

do you think it is ironic, that one of the only reasons many christians support the right winged view of israel and support its survival is so it can be blown to pieces as declared in the prophesy, is that why there is such a belief in keeping israel safe and full of jewish people, so they eventually can be blown to hell. but lets forget the areas of the world where there is also mass death and probelms

 

The president gave Congress the information that they had. All of it was from the president, and he got to pick and choose what stuff to release to them. Intelligence organizations in Britain and Germany have said that Bush misused intelligence that he was told was faulty, and they were all dismayed that he chose to use that faulty intelligence to go to war. Read that article I posted, it's a good one.

Maybe 9/11 would've been prevented if the Bush administration had paid attention to the Clinton administration when they were told to make Osama a priority. Maybe if Bush had paid attention to the document titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US." I like how you defend your president with "Butbutbut Clinton!" That just shows how indefensible he is.

 

The Cliton administration told Bush to make Osama a priority. Your joking right? Clinton was in office for 8 years, and Yemen offered to turn over Osama on three seperate occasions, and Clinton declined on all three. Bush was in office 4 months, and now your telling me it was Bush's fault. Talk about passing the buck. GIVE ME A BREAK.