Why is media not reporting PROTEST/RIOT in Brooklyn?

Idc that he was "armed," but it's two entirely different things, to be holding a gun for your protection, and to POINT that gun at somebody. I don't believe everything police say either, but I highly doubt they just shot a 16 year old kid for no reason! Do you know how many Black people we have in NY?? Cops in NYC can't be racist pricks, who shoot unarmed black kids, otherwise this would be an everyday thing! There are a lot of black people, and I'm sure plenty of black teenagers..

They said they started to talk to him, and he pulled a gun out; What they said could've made all the difference, "freeze" or "police," would probably be enough for the kid to pull his gun! (esp since gun laws are really strict in NY, and we don't have open carry in NYC.) So he probably did it realizing they were gonna arrest him anyway.

Let me explain something to you, Roo. I don't believe in government force. The Police in this situation were being typical police, by harrassing teenagers, and a back one esp...However, I hardly think pulling a gun on two officers is "defending" oneself; If anything, the police shooting back were defending thereselves.

Furthermore, none of the articles I've read said Mr.Grey was "allegedly" armed, but they all say the boy was armed. So with that in mind, police or not- I think they had a reason to defend themselves

 

Haha. Always my old neighborhood, Flatbush! :2thumbsup:

 

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Police frequently shoot people of every colour, but especially darker colours, for no fucking reason. This is not some sort of secret.

Someone telling you to freeze, in the dark, etc, could easily mean you're going to die on your knees, instead of fighting. Even if it really is the police. So they tried to talk to him, and he was jumpy, and they where not clearly police (and being police, very likely played with that to creep him out). And sure, maybe he pulled a gun.

If you think that carrying guns for defense is okay, and you think that citizens should not be harassed by police in essentially occupied inner cities, then surely, you understand that he was defending himself? If he was going to be arrested, by usurpers, and fought it, doesn't that make him a revolutionary, not a "thug"?

That's great, you read articles saying he was armed.... know why? Because the police said they shot a gun toting thug. So yeah, that's what the news says. You yourself are highly skeptical of the news and the police when it suits you, but now, in this context, you revert to calling him names, instead of looking at the situation of him being harassed for doing something that you think should be okay anyways.

If this was alex jones who got shot, you would be saying some remarkable things. But if it's a black kid (about whom it's a LOT easier to forge information) you really don't give a fuck, he was a thug who tried to kill a cop.

Well fuck if he was, it's too bad he didn't kill a cop. I don't see any power tripping bitch with a badge and a gun as being any more valuable than a dumb teenager with a gun but no badge.

Remember, next time you're saying some retarded shit about wimpy liberals wanting guns taken.... that you're in support of cops, when they shoot revolutionaries upholding the 2nd amendment. You're just like all those sheep, when the shit hits the fan you hide behind your master.

So, what have you got to say? That it's not like that, because of a news story you read? Do you have any way of making that position jibe with your normal positions about the media and government and gun rights and defence and freedom and the constitution and all that? What's the patriotic thing to do when the government tries to take your gun? Or is the patriotic thing something else, if you're white and/or listen to alex jones?

 

You totally don't get where I'm coming from. It's easy for you guys to pull the race card all damn day, but in reality, this kid wasn't a revolutionary fighting the system, more likely he was a drug dealer. I'm from NY, and firmiliarized with the people, so you can say I'm "racist" all you want, but that's not true. My best friend in the whole world is a black kid. I'm just saying regardless of color, you shouldn't be waving guns around, if you don't want to get shot. Yes, I believe in the right to bears arms; but NYS is a Blue State, and they are VERY strict on gun laws. That's why criminals who intend to do harm get handguns, meanwhile people who really want to denfend themselves are left defenseless to 16 year old crack dealers! (Not because he's a black teenager; but because he's walking around NYC with a .380 and pulling it on random people who talk to him!) This is NOT someone who deserves Constitutional defense, as the boy intended to cause harm with the gun, not to peaceably bear arms.

Police officers could've shot him for even holding a knife or axe in NYC-- I don't agree with that, but it's the law. We need to fix the system, I agree; but If I were those police, and that kid was aiming a gun at me, you best believe i would've dropped him!

 

That is to say, if he pulled a gun. I don't blindly trust the police either, but criminals walking around with illegal guns and with intentions of committing crimes, is not what I mean by "right to bear arms." But the cops were most likely harrassing the kid, so we agree there! If he knew his rights he could've gotten out of it, without being shot. People are too quick to choose violence as a way out..

 

It's what his government taught him, fight fire with fire. It's even how they did him in, how would he know any other way?

Don't you see the irony of talking about it being an illegal gun, like that changes the fact that you don't think it should have been?

I'm not saying that this one kid was totally right in every way, I'm saying that the approach used creates "thugs", and it demonizes them, and it kills them, and there's no reason for any of it, there could be a situation that would have done better for him from birth to death, and just calling him a thug after he was shot doesn't change it. I doubt that he needed to be killed in that situation (gun or no gun) or that it's something that could have arisen without police misconduct (I consider plainclothes officers walking around for no particular reason, to be misconduct, and I see them harassing him as misconduct), BUT either way, it's the system that lets poor neighborhoods sink, criminalizes drugs and then targets those poor neighborhoods for dealing in the only commodities that they are able to, even as that criminalization makes them more dependent on drugs and violence and unable to re-direct things, the system that gives out welfare, but only enough that you're dependent on it for ever but still never get enough to live well, it's the system that puts government thugs there to shoot kids who do what that situation can totally be predicted to make them do....

So what if he was a crack dealer? I think crack should be totally legal. I don't think that he should have been carrying a gun, in an ideal situation, but it doesn't take a genius to see the bigger picture, and the reason that he was in that situation or conditioned to behave the way that he was. All the racists always come out in force for this type of thing, to say that he CHOSE to be a thug (they might let slip that it's because his momma CHOSE to smoke crack and not send him to school.... but they don't harp on that, don't want people getting the idea that it really is what you're born into, and some do need a leg up in life) and sell crack and tote guns and get arrested and pull guns on cops.... but the issue is WHY he chose those things. Read a psychology book of two, it's not about you CHOOSING to do things, it's about you being conditioned to make a particular choice. And we can obviously make various choices within our conditioning, but who you are as a person is not there at birth, he was not born destined to be a gun toting thug until he grew up in a society that made him that.

So then we have to ask why we keep pushing policies that make people into crack pushing thugs? And once we're at that level, we have to see a problem with justifying his shooting, or condemning those who are outraged at his shooting, or those who respond by sending riot police instead of fixing the law and the neighborhood with that same money, that they NYPD has so much of. They can take down airplanes, but they can't fix a school or a damaging drug policy, they can outlaw big sugary drinks but can't outlaw chinese shit sold at harmful undercutting prices..... etc etc etc.

some of this is unpolished rant. but i think it mostly makes sense.

 

I don't think juveniles should be running around strapped personally. No, I don't see the irony; it's not just the fact that the gun was "illegal," but more or less him pointing it at someone changes everything. I have a gun, to protect myself from crazies and yes, government. I also don't agree with government force at all! However, if someone pointed a gun at me, I would shoot back. Also, I agree that our government breeds violence, and probably taught him to react that way.

i agree; I'm all about ending the drug war, and if the criminalization aspect were gone, the violence and gun-toting would also be taken out of the equation. 99% of people over 18 in America has used Marijuana, and many have used much harder drugs as well. Addicts are not criminals, and this kid was merely a misguilded teenager.

The only place where we differ is on the gun; I strongly believe in the Right to Bear arms, (and not just when it suites me) However, as I've said, if someone pointed a gun at me, I wouldn't take the time to analize whether he was gonna shoot or not, before I shot back. In other words, if the kid was really pointing a gun at them, I don't blame the cops for shooting back.

But I totally agree with you when it comes to the "war on drugs,"and the whole situation didn't have to happen. It is more of a cultural thing as an excuse (in the 60's) to go after hippies, today, the drug war is incredibly racist, as blacks are arrested much more than whites, even though drug use is about the same for each race.

 

Damn roorshask, well done. You have very deep insights and the ability to make them clear. That is a pretty rare combo. I assume that you must be a writer. If not you should seriously consider it...

 

It's just a reminder to me that I would never want to be a cop. I think the job has a lot of potential to cull the worst in human nature.

 

You Liberals are so messed up in the head! Roor was defending people pointing guns at police officers, are you on crack or something?


I doubt yall are willing to admit that Liberals are so worried about lookin like a racist, they'll never place any blame on any black person. (that's why they love Obama)

 

its cos loadsa cops in america are kkk, thats why their so trigger happy on black kids.

 

Bull shit! The reason they killed him is because he was waving a pistol around with intentions to hurt somebody. Yall are the real hypocrites; I've heard people on this site call legally obtained semi automatic rifles "WMD's" meanwhile, a teenage black kid running around with an unregistered pistol should be completely free to go due to the Second Amendment? It seems like you Liberals believe "Affirmative Action," is reverse discrimination. Yes! That's it! Let's make black people feel better about racial inequality by holding black people to a lesser standard than whites and giving them "crime passes" because they're a "victim of their enviorment."

(I'm being ironic, because this is what most Liberals really do represent.)

 

i don'nt what a liberal is supposed ta be. but it is a fact that kkk cops are always trigger happy on black kids.the ones that do it just changed their white cloaks for cop uniforms.

 

thats hard to imagine why media is not reporting such things at any cost. i am sure there is some political backlink related to it which is restricting media to do such things

 

lol...calm down bro. I was impressed with his writing style and his ability to put his thoughts down in a cohesive and readable manner. I wanted to let him know. No reason to attack me. I do apologize for taking away from the conversation/debate...

 

maybe 5 -7 shootings a day in us