Why Jews don't believe in Jesus

Christians doing pagan rituals = Catholic and they used the same technique of
converting Europe. Keep your holidays and customs, just worship this man.

I have met Jews for Jesus in New Orleans once. I watched a debate between
them and some Apostle type christians, complete with robes and sandles.
These guys refused to call god anything other than Elohim, made them
more "authentic" i guess. Anyway, they tried to convince me to only read
the bible and no other books. Crazy!

Would either of you be willing to answer an interview for me?
I have to do a paper for my World Religions class, and I
wanted to do Judaism. I want to go to temple one saturday,
but not sure if i can find a rabbi or anyone else for that matter,
to answer questions.

If so, i can pm you some questions, fill out in your own time.

Thanks

 

You know, I forgot about the Catholics. Yeah, with all the saints and such. And I think it's the spanish catholics will have our lady of this or our lady of that and you go to a different our lady for a different thing, and that survives to this day, even though they're all called Mary. According to my biblical criticism teacher, this is how it used to be at one point in Israel, before the various cultic centers besides Jerusalem were destroyed when I think it was Hezekiah who brought everyone into the cities and stopped paying what he had to as a vassal because he wanted to break free from that system.

You can PM me some questions. I may not be able to answer everything, but then again I'm sure I can answer a bit. If you are looking for a website for research, a good place to begin that's interdenominational is www.myjewishlearning.com.

 

Will, it says in the New Testament: Let the Children eat first ( referring to the Jews)

The Jews are G-d's Holy people, He wants them to be saved first.
And yes, there's also a prophecy having to do with the end days. ( that all of Israel will be saved.Romans 11:28-31. And Revelation also has a listing of how many from each tribe of Israel will be converted. )

I don't see how paganism has anything to do with Baptism ( or Baptistism. )...


I despise that praying to saints thing. It's disgusting.
Do you know what is done with deciesed(SP!) popes?

 

I don't think baptism was stolen from us. First of all, the first Christians really were Jewish. Second of all, iirc there were other groups, non-Jewish, who also used water for initiation. Third, baptism is different from mikveh because baptism is a spiritual cleansing. Mikveh was only to take something tamei and make it tahor, or at least to have a lower level of tumah like a gentile becoming a Jew. Baptism differed from this because it was a spiritual matter.

I don't think it's fair to get into a "you stole this from us" accusation because then we can get to talking about all the things we "stole" like circumcision since I just saw that one on the page before I clicked here. There's no use in getting mad at a fundamentalist, or anybody.

Dauer

 

It wouldn't surprise me if it was 'stolen' from Jews.
- Christianity's a continuation of classic Judaism.

Many Jews believe in Jesus. I know of one.

And that satanist/ HAre Krshna thing...that's horrible. What a total lie. >.>

 

That Jesus thing... what a total lie.

 

There is a difference in believing in Jesus, and believing that Jesus is the literal son of god.

And a person can be Jewish by heritage, but that doesn't mean they are by religion.

If someone is Jewish by religion then they can't believe that christ is the son of god who died for their sins, and christ is their only way to heaven. The jewish religion doesn't hold that doctrine.

This isn't the best analogy, but it would be like me saying I'm a christian (because I was born into a christian family) but I believe that the prophet mohammad, not christ, is my way to god. Could I claim to be christian and hold that belief? No. (well I could, but people are just gonna think I'm dumb)

 

Well, the OT prophecies of the Messiah DO say that He will be sacrificed for sins, crucified, and all that...
It also says in Jeremiah that a VIRGIN will receive Birth, the Child's name will be Immanuel ( God with us).

Also in another passage it says that He'll be called Mighty Counselor, Prince of Peace, Mighty God, and all that....


I see what you mean, and yeah, I was actually referring to the race.
But converts to Judaism aren't allowed to have the title 'Jewish' either, they get to be called 'pyrolites' (SP!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

thnx.

 

ryu,

without getting into anything else you said, because we've been there, a convert to Judaism is called a Jew, and not a proselyte. Once a person has made conversion, they are a Jew. In fact, it would be wrong for a Jew to refer to a person's conversion, because they are really just a Jew, just like any other Jew.

Dauer

 

To be honest...I don't understand a thing you're saying.
Are you talkin' 'bout the Kabala or something?
( if that's it, yes, I disagree with the Kabala, no offense )

BTW: Oh yeah, now get it. Nevermind the rest of the post! ^^;;

* Brain is broken this evening...I need some Omega 3....
So sorry for my horrible comments.^^;;;;

 

Well yeah, now that you mention it.
One is legally a Jew after sighning out a bunch of papers, a believer that's not filled out all those papers is a proselyte, right?

( correct me if I'm wrong )

 

Ryu,

I'm not sure. I just know that once a person converts, they're as much as Jew as anyone else. The only difference is that they don't have a tribe.

Dauer

 

I heard the paper thing in a book about the " 7 main religions of the world". They also photographed or scanned one of those papers, it's headed " Member of the tribe of Isreal" or something like that...

But they could be talking ethnicly/political. I don't know.
but thanks anyways!

 

You know what you saw could still be inaccurate. You've got a real Jew telling you otherwise, based on what other real Jews have told him. proselyte is simply a term for someone freshly converted to a religion. It doesn't mean that a Christian proselyte is not a Christian or a Jewish proselyte is not a Jew to the same degree as every other.

Dauer

 

Like it or not, for billions of people, Jesus is the first (and sadly, sometimes the only) introduction to any form of Judaism, to Jewish consciousness, to the unique Jewish understanding of, and relationship to, the divine.

For these people, he presents a respectable, and fully human, personification of that unique relationship between humanity and the divine.

Of course, there are far too many who would misunderstand one's humanization of the divine as an exclusive deification of a single human.

Sadly, there are far too many who have grossly misunderstood my favorite Rabbi, but with all humility and hope I would ask you to name for me one person, one idea, one thing, anything, that has never been misunderstood.

Peace and Love

 

Varuna, I don't know if you're addressing me but I was speaking specifically about the fact that a person who converts to Judaism is a Jew to the same extent as any other, and ryupower seems to be saying that this is not the case. Unless I misunderstood him/her. My statement only had to do with the very subject of conversation.

Dauer