Why Light Speed?

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  1. Turn

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    In the book A Short History of Nearly Everything, the author says that Gravity isn't a force, just the result of the bending of space, so is there a Graviton?

    Neils Borh "Your theory is crazy, but not crazy enough to be true"
     
  2. fat_tony

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    Gravity is a force, regardless of what travel writers may say. A force is something that moves energy from one place to another. If you put a rock in orbit around the Earths its aquires energy from the Earths magnetic field as it gets faster. This makes gravity a force, however it is different to most forces.

    Other forces are described using quantum mechanics where the interactions between are mediated by other particles. Photon (Electromag), Gluon (Strong), W0 and +/-Z (Weak) the graviton has been provisionally entered for gravity although its not been found. So far gravity has been described using general relativity which says that gravity bends space-time. QM and GR are, for a number of fairly mathematical reasons are often seen as mutually exclusive. Things like superstring theory are attempts to unite them by saying that we're seeing the effects of interactions in higher dimensional space. Which all sounds very good, whether or not its true is anyones guess. As you put it, is it crazy enough to be correct?
     
  3. cosmicdust

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    "And God said, Let there be light; and there was light." - GENESIS 1:3

    THERE IS NO BEGINNING, AND NO END, ONLY CHANGE." - QUANTUM PHYSICS

    Was light created at some point in time, or did it always exist?

    Light is one of the most important energies in our known universe! Light was believed to travel at the constant speed of approximately 186,000 Miles Per Second (MPS), but new theories, and experiments, suggest that LIGHT travels at ALL SPEEDS! We only "perceive" of light that travels at approximately 186,000 MPS! Consider the following information:

    FREEZING LIGHT TO SLOW IT DOWN?

    FROZEN LIGHT, By Lene Vestergaard Hau
    SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN - Vol. 285, No. 1, July 2001, pp. 66-73.
    www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/sf/topics/lightfreeze/lightfreeze.html

    Rowland Institute for Science in Cambridge, Mass. has conducted experiments in slow-time (light-slowing experiments):

    "Nothing travels faster than light in a vacuum, but even light is slowed down in many media. Scientists have manipulated clouds of atoms with lasers so that pulses of light travel through the clouds at one twenty-millonth of their normal speed--slower than highway traffic."

    WOW! Light has been slowed down to almost zero velocity! Slower than highway traffic (60 KPH), anyway! That's a big jump down from 186,000 MPS!

    FASTER THAN LIGHT?

    FASTER THAN LIGHT - SUPERLUMINAL LOOPHOLES IN PHYSICS, By Nick Herbert, Ph.D., A PLUME BOOK, NY, 1988.

    "Even though most physicists believe that the speed of light is as fast as anyone can go, Einstein's theory of special relativity does not rule out faster-than-light (FTL) travel. On the contrary, it seems to indicate that certain superluminal or FTL effects would permit us to re-experience the past; time travel would become a reality, not science fiction." (BACK COVER)

    TACHYONS are particles that travel ONLY faster than light, and NEVER slower! TACHYON DRIVE is supposedly a type of SPACE-TIME craft propulsion system.

    SHEAR VELOCITY or INFINITE VELOCITY of LIGHT?

    HOW TO BUILD A FLYING SAUCER And Other Proposals in Speculative Engineering, By T. B. Pawlicki, Prentice-Hall, Inc., New Jersey, 1981.

    "The logic of traveling backward in time is as simple as the logic of traveling foward into the future. You see, all acceleration must be through time as well as space. From zero velocity to light velocity, all travel must be into the future. There is only one way to go after the velocity of light is exceeded. That way is back into the past.

    You have just seen the Plate Flutter Model demonstrate Einstein's proof that no material body can be accelerated above the speed of light, so how is it possible to attain hyperlight velocities required to travel backward into time? Intensive analysis of the Plate Flutter Model will show you that although no standing wave can exceed the speed of light, the information contained in the pattern of the standing wave can be accelerated to infinite velocity in the form of a shear-wave pattern.

    A shear wave is illustrated by the angle formed by a pair of scissors. As the blades close, the point of intersection accelerates to infinite velocity.

    All material bodies are standing-wave structures created by universal vibrations coming to a focus from all directions in proper phase and returning to the quantum field at the particulate center.

    All bodies move as their proper wavefronts rotate on the plane of their flow. Wavefront rotation is due to the rotation of the universal field around the axes of phase and frequency.

    As shear velocity approaches the speed of light, the trailing wavefronts lag behind the moving body. As the velocity of the shear angle opening the line of travel equals and then exceeds the flow velocity of the waves, the reduction of the frequency of the waves creating the accelerating body is manifest as a slowing of time until time stops.

    When the rotational velocity moving away from the focal point exceeds the wave velocity flowing to the body, the wave vectors are reversed in direction and time flows backwards." (pgs. 121-123)

    SCALER PHYSICS from Ninhursag

    "Vacuum is infinitely dense, filled with stupendous 0 point energy. Space=Dimension. 5 space gravity is regular garden variety electromagnetics. Traps electromagnetic energy; turns into gravity. An electromagnetic wave creates a stress in a vacuum. Curves space (on the ether). Curved space IS gravitation. A gravity wave; curved, bends & warps space. Causes a current to happen in hyper dimensional space. Scaler waves are everywhere at all times. Nothing can stop them, but they can be re-directed. Mass is trapped scaler resonance. Make the waves sum zero; reverse the ratio of the current. Scaler waves do not interact with electrons. They interact with the nucleus; can change the nucleus of any atom; can transmute one chemical into another, lead to gold. Mass is the 90 degree rotational flux; rotates in, rotates out, flows through."

    MTW's General Relativity Principle:

    "Space acts on matter, telling it how to move. In turn , matter reacts back on space, telling it how to curve." www.cheniere.org

    SPACE-TIME AND BEYOND, By Bob Toben and Fred Alan Wolf, BANTAM BOOKS, NY, 1975, 1981, 1982, 1983.

    Is matter gravitationally TRAPPED LIGHT? Light chases itself in gravitational collapse, causing a vibrating RING OF LIGHT, forming a quantum (mini) blackhole. At the singularity, inside the blackhole, there is no space or time! Anti-matter is matter in a reversed time flow. The same process that forms blackholes, forms whiteholes, only time is reversed! So time is flowing in two directions, it is PHASE CONJUGATE! We are normally only aware of its flowing in one direction from past to future! Subnuclear particles are merely ripples in the turbulent sea of space. Atoms are formed by interactions between vibrational patterns. Beyond space-time is EVERYWHERE! Velocity=infinity, i.e. THE UNIVERSAL HOLOGRAM. (Pgs. 47, 49-50, 52-54)

    STALKING THE WILD PENDULUM, By Itzhak Bentov, DESTINY BOOKS, VERMONT, 1977, 1988.

    "We have so far been using the pendulum as an example. But a pendulum represents any system that oscillates or moves back and forth, whether such an oscillator pulsates concentrically, goes around in orbits, or turns about itself. From the standpoint of one observer, there are always two points at which either of these systems appears to be at rest. But to be completely at rest - that is, being at the point at which movement in one direction is changing sign or reversing direction - the point of rest implies somehow a disappearance of matter and a movement at infinite or almost infinite velocities. Infinite speed and total rest seem somehow complementary.

    Until now we used the pendulum as a model because it is easy to visualize. However, the atoms of matter at room temperature vibrate at about 10 to the 15th power Hz.; therefore, it is very likely that our matter is blinking off and on at that rate." (Pg. 54)

    We are constantly shifting between space and hyper-space! The universe is sort of DIGITAL, blinking on and off, but at an incredible speed! Of course, we can't perceive this happening, as it is way too fast to perceive!

    From zero velocity to light velocity to infinite velocity. At light velocity, time flow simply reverses! At infinite velocity, you spread across the entire universe, toward infinity and become the universe! YOU ARE EVERTHING AND EVERYWHERE AT ONCE! GOD?

    See the LIGHT! So now, how important is light?

    STUDY: QUANTUM PHYSICS. Hyper-Dimensional Physics and SCALER Electromagnetics!

    Peace, love and understanding . . .
     
  4. Turn

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    Boy I hope thats how it really works
     
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    Well its been true for sometime that light can be slowed down to walking pace. In Sweden there were even going to be attempts to make a kind of optical black hole though I haven't heard anything so I guess nothing came of it.

    There have been a number of superluminal experiments but and physics undergrad will have come across this phenomenon studying fourier series or phase velocities through materials. I have a number of references if people are interested.

    As for tachyons i've explained their origin from relativity in a previous thread (maybe this one I cant be bothered to look). A lot of these things seem better in science fiction because that way they seem somehow futuristic and magical. Usually these things are just mathematical entities that have been discarded because right now they make no physical sense. Id like to think that people will have the presence of mind to keep them just in case they become relevant again. Sciences fundamental problem here is that it demands physical proof, as where people imaginations don't. Imagination can be the root of great discoveries but a great scientist is one who can prove his imagination, that is a rare quality indeed.
     
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    Time runs different for a person in an elevator vs. a person standing still.

    I don't think speed of light is so important (for time travel at least). In other words...You could still travel substantially forward in time at speeds slower than the speed of light. Just my understanding of it. Maybe I'm wrong.


    - Damian
     
  7. Turn

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    So sister particle, you change the spin of one and its sister changes its spin at the same time. They tested them from 7 miles away, and the moment one's spin changed so did the other. How in the world can this happen?
     
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    Your talking about quantum entanglement, to understand this you have to remember that when we talk about nothing travelling faster than light we mean nothing with any information. If it cant carry information the you can do whatever you want within reason. Quantum entanglement is proof that quantum mechanics is a non-local theory. This means it allows unmediated interactions over arbitrary distance.

    I will demonstrate, to describe the state of a two particle system I use the following notation W(1,2), where W is the wavefunction of the system (don't worry) and 1 and 2 are the states of two particles. If we say these states represent angular momentum and allow two particles to interact we get, W(1,2)+W(2+1). This means that the particles cannot be the same thing but we don't know which theres a certain proability that its W(1,2) or W(2,1). Now we let the particles move away from each other to an arbitrary distance could we half way across the universe. We can now measure the angular momentum of one particle, this will change the wavefunction so its now only 1 of the above terms and the same will happen to the other particle instantaneously. However as you would need to send details of how you found the angular momentum with a telephone or something this does not violate causality. This happens everytime particles interact so its not some weird effect it happens constantly.
     
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