Why not ban fishing for sport too?

are you serious? .. you taken a leap into the abyss of stupidity with that remark .. merry landings






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ditto

 

this is retarded, damn....

banning sport fishing(freshwater) will make things worse, not help them!


think about it!

damn people!


there are tons of fish out there, there are so many of certain species such as crappie that they cant even grow very big due to overcrowding, around here we always have to toss them in the bushes and woods cuz there are just so many that they are tiny, billions of them

trust me there are plenty of fish out there, lol

not sure why anyone thinks that sport fishing needs to be outlawed ?

thats insane to think that

we need more ppl to be fishing to get population of alot of fish species back down and in order so that they will grow and be healthier and be able to find enough food

the only place you can find closer to normal balance of fish populations is in larger bodies of water such as lake michigan and so forth, where there are not so many of them adn where they have enough food and can actually grow bigger than the length of a persons hand

catfish in alot of bodies of water dont grow very big either thanks to too large of population of them, yes there are big oens out there, but not as many as there should be, there are billions of small ones, when there could be alot more bigger ones if the population was controlled,

most sport fishing all practices catch and release, go and talk to sport fisherman, they do not catch and kill, and if they do then they consume the fish, otherwise they will release them if they are too small or not allowed to be kept

so in all reaility you are barking up the wrong tree

totally

go worry about guns safety or something

there are too many fish out there, BIG TIME

they need to be controlled or they will be unhealthy and never grow very big

look at deer populations, they are epidemic around here, theres literally billions of them around here and in most areas of the US, so many that there are thousands of deer/car collisions, it is a HUGE problem here alot of ppl get injured iwth deer through windshields and alot of insurance claims and damages, its real bad, there are way too many deer, they have not been hunted enough and need to be hunted alot more, a long time ago i beleive they were protected big time but this was droppped due to their enormous population growth/rebound

now its a huge problem,, just way too many of them

fish and deer and such do not need protection, at all, not anytime soon, they need the opposite

no i am not an animal hater, i care i dont hunt or fish, but i know whats going on and what the problems are, some species must be regulated, they are prey, if they are not preed upon then they will increases rediculously in population, just like humans do

same deal, different species


if you cant accept that and dont understand it then thats your problem and we can be glad youre not in charge of deciding what needs to be hunted/regulated/preyed upon and what needs to be protected(to increase staggering low populations of some species)

in some places in the world trees are and need to be protected, mainly all due to humans chopping them down for various reasons including logging, and growth/civilations expansion, etc

this puts us right into various animals' habitats and forces them to live with us or be without habitat, in which has and does and will continue to extinct some species

human species needs regulated in my mind, we are overwhelming the world, some day most all species of animals will be extremely threatened and/or extinct, at this rate of human expansion that is

this is basically an opposite of overpopulation of certain animal species, such as some fish and deer, and etc. but is the same problem as with human species, too many is a bad thing


eventually man will ruin th world, very few trees, very few of most animal species, veryt little freshwater and so forth, its inevitable,

if the world even lasts that long

if someone has compelling proof of otherwise, that fish and deer and other species populations are threatened then id REALLY love to see it, haha!


there is no reason at all to ban hunting and fishing and such

again i reiterate i am not a hunting or fishing or gun owning advocate, i could care less if any or all of them were banend or not, but i know what would be the best for the world and for alot of species of animals too.



or maybe fish over there in the UK are so stupid that they forgot how to reproduce ? i highly doubt that though

fish reproduce just fine out in the wild, too well most all the time, just look at dog fish salmon for instance, theres trillions of them things every year and they are regulated by bears, tons of them get caught and eaten by bear and wolves and such up in alaska along pacific coastline, every single year, and they reproduce and then they die, thats the end of them, all of them and they are no where even remotely close to being endangered lol

freshwater fish cannot be threatened, they do more than fine, they need ot be fished out of waters and preyed upon, its for their own good, for health and food supply reasons, fish put out tons of eggs, most mammals only have out one or a few little ones,


freshwater fish are the last thing ot worry about ever having facing extinction or anything


you get the idea now,

sit back and think about it and common sense will hopefully take effect in your minds

im not here to make fun of or pick on or point out anyone, at all

just stating what is going on, just trying to point out stuff to you...

banning sport fishing, etc would hurt the species more than it could ever help

 

What for you or the fish?

Thanks for being patronising

I'd prefer it if you had valid references

So we're nature's police force now?

What about the suffering that is caused. Stop patronising

Ah right ... killing fish makes them healthy

But you just strangely condoned killing them for population benefits ... make your mind up

If you're ever lucky enough to meet me please don't ever patronise me to my face

I can't see your logic

Yeah kill them to stop them getting run over, hahaha ... drive carefully then

A bit like the human race then

Well you do seem to contradict yourself don't you?

I beg to differ

What's wrong with a larger population? Most creatures only breed when there is adequate food anyway

Yes it is our problem ... and the fish's and the deer's

So who is at fault? Not the deer or the fish

I agree with that much, although that's a different issue

I hope you're not suggesting we hunt and kill people for sport to kkep the population down?

yeah, and people like you don't help things

 

Apparently Randy is a dude and into Muscle cars .. you'd better be careful paul ...

 

I respect all animal life including human animals... I don't give a fuck whether they are little or fluffy ...

At the end of the day digging up a few bones of someone that is already dead isn't quite the same as routinely torturing and killing thousands of guinea pigs a year...

It is possible to concentrate on being kind as a society towards humans and animals. I wouldn't forfeit one for the other.

People that abuse animals don't really deserve my respect though, so why should I show it to them?... How a human can look into an animals eyes and cold bloodedly harm it for fun or experiment... It is beyond my understanding and in my opnion beyond tolerability...

They need to be stopped from causing more harm.

Love Clairexxx

 

I read about the digging up of a granny by evil bastards that thought it was a 'right' thing to do.. how the fuck did they know how that lady felt, she may well have backed their cause (but not their actions) to the hilt..fucking sick bastards ...sorry claire you can't justify that i am afraid.

 

sorry claire

 

hear fucking hear .. and the rest of this species, colbalt blue, needs protecting from us lousy humans.

 

I wasn't trying to justify it...

But at the end of the day, she's already dead... no-one was physically abused or killed.

It's just bones...

I personally wouldn't have done it because people like you now think they are "fucking sick bastards"...

I personally think it is far sicker to kill and torture animals routinely. They wouldn't be pushed to such extremes if the animal torture would be outlawed.

It's hard to see this torture day in day out and not get angry about it Matthew. What if your family were being tortured day in day out for years and years and the government allowed it.... wouldn't you get angry?

Animals can't speak up for themselves, they are easy targets for abuse... we need to be their voice...

Love Clairexxx

 

How dare you say that!!!!!!!!! What a complete lie!!!!

Everything I do in my protesting is geared towards protecting human and animal life!!

I suggest you take that comment back matthew... you don;t have a clue what you're on about...

Totally out of order......

 

I'm not condoning it either but Tony Robinson digs up bones on Time Team every bloody week

This is what they do at the guinea pig farm every bloody day: http://www.liberation-now.org/

 

this is just a message for all the preachy people that say what bad things animal rights activists do, even though u claim to give a shit about animals, there the people that actually do somthing about it while u sit there behind ya pc doing fuck all for animal or mankind, all you can do is bad mouth other people. whats your point mate???? either do summin yaself or shut the fuck up about it.
there was a post about activists been violent and sending threatning letters and wrecking cars n stuff, but you dont even know why its done do u??? ur ignorant to the facts mate, u should find out what ya talkin about before u put it down, otherwise you just a fool talking about summin he knows nothing about!

 

Was that to me? I wasn't bad mouthing anyone?

 

Yes claire but their are limits ... if you think this way and can see why they were 'forced' into doing such things then i regret i can't understand...i went a bit ott in my respons, i was quite angry you could just calmly say 'At the end of the day digging up a few bones of someone that is already dead isn't quite the same as routinely torturing and killing thousands of guinea pigs a year...'
whatever you may think of the family this is just not on ...they deserve the respect as human beings to be able to grieve their relatives and not be subjected to that..i know what you will say but it does not realy wash with me ...sorry. You say no one is physicaly abused or killed ... well, abused yes, the body for one .. the digging up of.

How would you feel if i dug up one of your relatives as a response ??. Not that i would, just asking.

I do share your respect for animals and do wish i could have the simplistic ethical morality you and others have..thats not wishing to insult you, i respect you lot somewhat but just cant be as extreme in my views...and it is exrteme imho . Well i have tried to explain my relationship with animals and humans sort of in the HUNT BAN thread http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=641129&postcount=385

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=644094&postcount=406

 

Yes it was i was just angry ... sorry..

 

nah not u mate. just people that put down ar stuff when they dont understand it. errr that wasnt u was it???

 

Not at all ... you didn't quote and it had me wondering (I tend to get my wires crossed occasionally)

 

i think the problem (if no one has already said it) is that people eat fish sometimes but with fox hunting no one eats the fox which is why they want a ban on it. still slightly stupid though

 

it makes me laugh when folk come out with this old line. Was used in the 70's to justify seal clubbing, then to justify all the fishing around the canadian/alaskan coasts..... and are the fish populations doing extra-ordinarily well thanks to our oh-so intelligent suprerior to natural population regulation methods? no, they are so few in numbers that there is a HUGE ecology system on the brink of disaster.

You know, I don't know how these species managed for all that vast amount of time before we came along to control populations........

(how can anyone claim that we are good at population coltrol?!! ageing overpopulation all over the place!)