Why not believe in Jesus?

Is it any less valid to believe that Jesus was an alien?

 

This is certaintly not the place to talk about that but you are welcome to learn me about your religion or discuss this matter at the islam forum as I have nothing against useful knowledge.

 

My New Age mom thinks that....Biblically it aint true

 

So you wanna learn about Christianity? Did someone tell you something that made you curious? You sort of surprised me here!

*Fulfilles stupid thought and asks Muslims why Jesus is just a Prophet*


Exchange of knowledge can't hurt!

 

what a silly answer.

 

No, the thing is that I deal with some believing christians at school and I do not want to say something akwardly stupid due to ignorance about their faith nor do I want to say anything -without knowledge- which then turns out a little different than what I thought. I know from personal experience that when some people talk about my religion with me they argue through ignorance, this is always not wanted.

 

In which way was that silly?

 

That's why I'm asking not flaming the Jews here, I don't want any flame wars going on, and I don't want to be ignorant of their beliefs.

 

it's silly on a couple of levels. On one level, it's a total non-answer to a rather serious philosophical question...

and on another level, it suggests some very strange ideas about the nature of truth.

I mean do you really believe that "truth" is found in a book?

Do we really have to pull out the "Inherit the Wind" arguments?

 

yes.

 

What if I one day said Lord of the Rings was not a book of fiction but of truth and that we all should live by it?

I would be called a cultist, right?

Well, essentially, that's what believing in the Bible is. It's just a book, and at that- a book that has been altered to suit those who preach it over the years. Christianity morphed with Constantine. It morphed again with the Great Schism. And it continues to morph to suit those that try to use it for their own gain. Such is the way of religion.

I was raised Jewish but in recent years took a more logical stance and became agnostic. I've been to churches before and basically get into debates with pastors who can't find proof in Jesus other than in a book which I don't believe to be true. The day you can prove to me without a single shred of evidence stemming from the New Testement that Jesus is the Messiah then maybe I'll believe. But I have more of an inclination to believe Hindu beliefs because they are older than Christian beliefs.

Think for yourselves, people. Don't claim an archaic book is all truth. I have an interesting philisophical view on it all but I don't have time to write it out now.

 

The Lord of the rings has no proof. The Bible has Prophecies, most of what've come true.

 

So you say that the virgin thing was impossible? Than Isaiah Must've been a bad prophet. ( ISA 7:14 )



ummm, the hebrew word "almah" means "a young woman" of israel...
now, one could translate this as "maid" ...
and a technical tranlation of "maiden" could include "virgo intacto" ("virgin")
and the greek word (remember, the christian bible was in armaic & hebrew, then greek for a while, & then latin for a long time before being translated into "common tongue") "parthenos" meant a woman who had husband or male protector (& the biology term "parthenogenic" means conceived without a male gamete...)

but the original isaiah "prophetic writings" were referring to events much closer in time to the time of that old testament prophet, & did not actually say "virgin" mmmmkay?

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and so forth, not so?

 

quote: was raised Jewish but in recent years took a more logical stance and became agnostic.

same here, cheers.

 

What Prophecies have come true that are tangible and have direct proof?

Anyway.. that theory I was talking about:
If any of you have read Aesop's fables, they're stories that tell life lessons. Basically that's what I see the Bible as. I don't believe it was ever meant to be taken literally and was a metaphore to living a good, prosperous, "moral" life. Each religious text of any religion is simply their own form of Aesop's tables or mythology to explain how life works. Really the writers of the Bible and other religious books were the original spin doctors who could write to appeal to the masses. Leaders early on saw the power of these religious texts and raped them into what we now see as the world's major religions. Between numerous translations, what we now have isn't even what the Bible originated as.

Revelations explains our own views toward death. There will be no all encompassing apocalypse- it is your own personal apocalypse as you die.

My boyfriend has a more developed idea of this all seeing as how he was raised 7th day Adventist and recently became Deist. Since I find many of the Bible's moral values hypocrital and cruel, I wouldn't chose to follow it even as a metaphorical guide to life.

 

Almost all of them. The Torah, which was the Jewish 'Bible', had the whole old testament in it. The New Testament fulfilled most of the old prophecies.
The New Prophecies (and some still in Isiah) ,are obviously soon to come (most of these in Revelation), or have already been fulfilled, For instance, The Bible stated that Babylon WILL be rebuilt,- which it was.

There are so many of them, all are beginning to happen.

 

" The Torah, which was the Jewish 'Bible', had the whole old testament in it."

This statement is incorrect. The Torah is one section of the Jewish Scriptures which is comprised of Torah, Prophets, and Writings, or in Hebrew Torah Neviim and Ketuvim from which comes the acronym Tanach, the name usually used from the Jewish scriptures. The "old testament" is often synonymous with the Tanach but there are differences.

"The New Testament fulfilled most of the old prophecies."

how is that tangible and direct proof? You haven't even shown what prophecies in the tanach link up with the greek testament, so that we can show you that these are not "nearly all" and that there isn't really any proof that any of it came true outside of the greek testament which, like all religious scriptures, is a biased text.

"There are so many of them, all are beginning to happen."

This claim has been made many times in the history of man.

 

I wanted to explain to someone who obviously has no clue about the testaments what the Torah is. That's why I had it in '' .


About the prophecies, many just came true in the last decade. If you don't mind, I'll post a site that shows the fulfillments.

 

"I wanted to explain to someone who obviously has no clue about the testaments what the Torah is. That's why I had it in '' .

As far as I can tell she knows quite a bit more than you, and you also explained it incorrectly.




The vague prophecies of your books have been attributed to other historical events before by people seeking a "way out", an "end time" that depended on God instead of the actions of humans to redeem themselves from the hell they'd created, an end time where God would smile upon the faithful and the heathen would get their comeuppance. The prophecies are vague enough to give hope in many generations.

You have not demonstrated that Jesus fulfilled any messianic prophecies. I have demonstrated what the messiah must fulfill (in whole and not part) in order to be the messiah. You have shown by your inability to present evidence that Jesus did not do these things. Your lack of evidence tells me you don't have any proof. That's what I suspected.

Dauer

 

I think the Bible is bull shit do you want anymore answers.

Do you think there are only two religions, because by the way that you give so much credit to the Jewish faith it's clear you don't even know all the other faiths or paths that you strait out stole your beliefs from and "christianised" them.

The Romans who crusified Jesus for his beliefs, and his claims, also came and killed thousands of other people years later for not believing in Christ.

I believe jesus exsisted, I think he was nothing more then a charismatic ego maniac who was a smooth talker, just like David Koresh(sp) or any other cult leader.