Why not believe in Jesus?

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I know any less.
But she makes claims that are untrue, therefore prooving that she hasn't read it.

 

I wanted answers...from Jews.

 

Excuse me, Gillian, have you bothered to read any of the other threads on the Judaism board or are you just making assumptions? I speak to people on their terms. If I tell ryu that the Torah developed over many centuries by combining and reformulating the myths of many different nations with history, legal documents, and some other types of documents that's going to mean absolutely nothing to him. I have to speak to him of his concerns. I feel no need to attach a disclaimer to every post I make about the messiah so that it reads instead:

"You have not demonstrated that Jesus fulfilled any messianic prophecies. I have demonstrated what the messiah(although I really don't believe in prophecy) must fulfill (in whole and not part) in order to be the messiah."

And in all honesty, speaking to a traditionalist things like that just take away my credibility. Nor is it anything most traditionalists would care to hear. If you go to the thread on Akhenaten you'll see me arguing for modern biblical criticism and mentioning the possible connection between the centralization of divinity and the centralization of power.

Are you surprised that in a thread on the Jewish board about why Jews don't believe in Jesus the only two religions being mentioned are Judaism and Christianity (I may have also made a passing reference to Mithraism but that's irrelevant.)? I'm certainly not.

"The Romans who crusified Jesus for his beliefs, and his claims,"

How do you know? It's just as plausible Pilate was upset for his actions at the Temple at the time of a hectic pilgrimage festival and had him killed either because it annoyed him or to make a demonstration to the public. It's also plausible Jesus is not one man, but a number of men, probably with one central man, who were combined to form the mythical Jesus both in word, deed, and legend.

"I believe jesus exsisted, I think he was nothing more then a charismatic ego maniac who was a smooth talker, just like David Koresh(sp) or any other cult leader."

Then I guess you've got your beliefs too. It happened so long ago there's really no way for anybody to truly know.

Dauer

 

ryu, I'm pretty sure she was offering an interpretation of her own based on the fact that she rejects taking it literally.

 

I don't think Jesus was the messiah. I also don't believe he was the son of God. I mean, he did say he was the son of God, but aren't we all God's children, really? God himself said so many times. Abraham and Moses were called God's children, as was Solomon and many others in the bible. Jesus was a cool dude, though. The first hippy

 

The whole thing with 'jesus was God'came to be because Mary was impregnated by the holy spirit...which was part of god.

 

Ryu, were you infering that I don't know what the Torah is? Because if you were....

In fact I've read the entire Old Testament and some of the New. True, I read them when I was much younger (14 or so) but I've read them just the same. What I stated was just my own theory, just like your theory taking the Bible literally is just that- a theory.

 

I didn't think so....if you did, sorry. Because I had religion in school....and I didn't know the difference between the Old and new Testament until I was christian!
Sorry! :&

 

I didn't know the difference until I learned that not everyone was cool enough to be Jewish.

But then I learned that I needed to use my knowledge as a weapon against born-again whackjobs that would tell me daily that I was going to hell.

 

Your knowledge about what?

 

to know why jews don't believe in Jesus read my posts and the threads i started

 

quote: The whole thing with 'jesus was God'came to be because Mary was impregnated by the holy spirit...which was part of god.


HAHAHA yea, impregnated by god, that is so very likely
I'm going to try that one, even being a male, to see if it could work again.

 

Yeah, to my understanding the messiah has to, among other things,
-be a man and nothing more. In christian terms, he is g-d/son of g-d. Therefore he can't possibly be the messiah, as he is more than a man.
-fulfil all prophesies within his lifetime. I'm sick of people harping on about him completing the rest of the prophesies when he returns to earth. He died according to christians- his life, as a man, ended long ago. Whether or not his spirit or g-dly part survived or was reborn is irrelevant, because his human part died. He did not fulfil all of the prophesies within his life as a human.
-Just for note, in order to be the messiah he had to essentially wage a holy war. Yes, do battle. This somewhat contradicts the bible again, jesus the pacifist waging war...

Assuming that the bible is true, jesus is not the messiah as defined in jewish terms. Most christians only accept evidence from their own book... it's all there... all you have to do is read and accept the messianic prophesies- basic christian knowledge will tell you jesus doesn't match up.

 

Jesus was like a human in every single way, physicly. He had a flesh, just like everyone. He needed to be so in order to minister to them. But his spirit was part of G-d.

Where does it say the all in his lifetime part?
BTW: He'll come back in the body he resurrected in,-his glorified body.

In a way, he did start a war. He said the following:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword . For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household."
Matthew 10:34-36 NKJV


And many people used to fight war for Christianity to prevail, therefore he brought war.
At least catholics.

 

I don't believe in jesus as a messanger or 'whatever' because even now people are disputing the interpretations and creating there own 'facts'.. I have no problem with the bible being a version a truth . Its just unbelieably flawed in so many ways i just can't buy the whole concept .

 

ryupower, if you want to understand why Jews reject Jesus and what Jews say Jesus didn't do, try this.

http://www.kosherjudaism.com/moshiach.pdf

Also, how does second coming theology work in any way? That could be said about any person. Jesus fulfilled nothing that is confirmable. This is another link that discusses exactly the same thing, in a different way that you might find clearer:

http://www.messiahtruth.com/wanted.html

That also explains why Jews don't like missionaries bugging us about Jesus. Now if you read one or both of those links and still don't understand feel free to come back and ask questions or argue, but at least then we'll be on the same page.

Dauer

 

I used to follow christianity because my parents made me ever since I was little. Then I thought to myself, "that's not a good reason to do something". So I stopped and looked around at a bunch of religions. Now I decided to believe in him because a reality where people can (potentially) do the things he did is better than one where they can't.

 

I'll check those out later, thanks.

You were confused about the seconed coming? It's all explained in revelation (NT). So of you don't know about it!

 

In order to understand why people don't believe in jesus, you have to look at the bible objectively. If someone tells you it's true and if you don't believe it you're going to hell, you might be less inclined to do that, but if you read it as a book and only a book, not trying to judge whether it's true or not, it's quite similar to the greek and roman and norse mythologies, along with the mythologies from everywhere else.

Remember that part when Lot and his family are fleeing their home and his wife looks back and turns into a pillar of salt? That's straight from Orpheus. There's plenty in the bible to diminish faith in it, but the only thing that will increase faith in it is more faith and blind acceptance.

 

Yes, it's alot like the Greek mythologies. Because Satan likes twisting things and Greeks were the only others besides Pagans in that time to minister to.