Why we shouldn't care about the environment

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by bird_migration, Dec 14, 2013.

  1. fraggle_rock

    fraggle_rock Member

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    That's not how it works.
     
  2. SpacemanSpiff

    SpacemanSpiff Visitor

    Im pretty sure an asteroid will annihilate us all way before the sun does.
     
  3. fraggle_rock

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    It's amazing how people can be completely fucking up the planet beyond repair every single day and yet our only concern is for our own welfare.

    Yeah, we're definitely the ones who deserve to survive.
     
  4. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    But we'll make it off earth. We won't if we don't care about the environment.
    Though I am sceptical of making it off earth too, the way I see it is the earth is getting too populated and the recourses we need to use to design craft to get us off this rock is being used up so the our growing civilian population can live "quality life". But if we keep using up the ore for buildings and all that stuff, we are just using up precious resources.
    Unless it's all in abundance.... but even I heard stories as a kid about using up our resources.
     
  5. Mike Suicide

    Mike Suicide Sweet and Tender Hooligan

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    Even if we launched ever nuke on Earth we wouldn't come close to damaging the planet beyond repair. The planet would just dust itself off and start over, like it has many times before.

    Short of blowing up the whole planet there's no way we can actually destroy it. Humans obviously don't care about their own welfare because if we did, we wouldn't be polluting the water, the air, destroying the rain forests and causing interdependent species to go extinct. By doing all these things we're causing our own extinction. If we "cared" about our own welfare we wouldn't be doing these things.

    And since we don't seem to "care" what happens is the rest of the "environment" has to deal with those repercussions. If we actually started to "care" about ourselves then everything else would fall into place.
     
  6. fraggle_rock

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    -It's possible that the dust clouds would eventually cause a runaway greenhouse effect that could turn Earth into Venus.

    http://phys.org/news/2013-07-planetary-runaway-greenhouse-easily-triggered.html

    -Detonating that many nuclear bombs could completely destroy the atmosphere, which is probably what happened to Mars.

    So no, the planet won't necessarily dust itself off and start over. Plus, a lot of species that should have existed if everything were in balance would be destroyed too soon. This is what is happening now.

    I don't think it's a matter of not caring so much as it not really clicking that this is actually going on.
     
  7. Monkey Boy

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c"]George Carlin - Saving the Planet - YouTube
     
  8. Mike Suicide

    Mike Suicide Sweet and Tender Hooligan

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    That just destroys life on the planet, not the planet itself. The earth will recover like it always has, it might take a million years but thats a drop in the bucket for the earth.

    And I really do think people don't care, as long as they can shop at WalMart and keep up the Kardashians.
     
  9. lode

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    “Oooh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she’s losing. Well I say, hard cheese.” — Mr. Burns

    Well, the article was talking about a runaway greenhouse effect. After that the atmosphere will boil away, and the earth will eventually be swallowed by the red giant sun.
     
  10. Cherea

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    Nature, whatever that means, is the new Jesus.

    It requires that you sacrifice your ends for it and repent for your sins; and if you don't, it will send you to burning hell and blast you out of existence.

    There's always some abstraction that I'm supposed to put in front of myself. To socialists, it's the poor; to the pious, it's god; to the politically correct, it's minorities; to revolutionaries, it's humanity; to the politically savvy, it's your country...finally, to hippies, it's nature.

    All a bunch of superstitions with no basis in reality! :rolleyes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4OuWtqmGLI"]Frank Zappa "oh no" - YouTube
     
  11. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    I always have to add the caveat that I'm not much for GC's self-righteousness, but this was good!!

    Listen to the dumb ass hecklers in the background. Thanks for sharing! :)
     
  12. rak

    rak Senior Member

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    The envoronment would never do the same for us, except from give us Food and water and the air we breathe.
     
  13. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    You don't live in an environment??
     
  14. Cherea

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    lol! What did it have against dinosaurs?

    Edit: And just about 90% of all the species who went extinct in the billion years on this Earth prior to the Industrial Revolution? Why was the environment so mean to them? They didn't have cars or factories...:bigcry:
     
  15. fraggle_rock

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    Amazing words of wisdom from an accredited zoological genius with 3 PhDs.
     
  16. fraggle_rock

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    I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but to me this just seems like an excuse to be selfish and lazy. The bottom line is George Carlin isn't a scientist, and a lot of the problems are being caused by people doing things that they don't need to do, and it's also not making them or anyone else happy.

    Oh, and yes... I personally would much rather live on a clean planet that's full of life. If you want to live in a contaminated wasteland where it's impossible for anything to live, then that's fine but the problem is that everything that one person does affects everyone else, and it's easier to wreck things than to preserve them.

    The idea that environmentalists are somehow the selfish ones is so backwards that I can't believe people would actually agree. I think that has more to do with their not wanting to feel guilty.
     
  17. Cherea

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    Are you?

    You don't get to decide what I need or what makes me happy. Your second-hand environmentalism also affects me. It is anti-capitalist and authoritarian at its heart (watermelon).

    To know more: http://jamesdelingpole.com/

    So what's not selfish?

    That I give up on my interests for yours, of course! I never see anyone bringing up the S-word without wanting others to sacrifice themselves for them.

    The hypocrisy police's out looking for you.
     
  18. fraggle_rock

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    No, but for some reason I think it's smarter to trust people who are as opposed to say, comedians, oil companies, or other people who know nothing about the topic.

    James Delingpole
    http://www.desmogblog.com/james-delingpole

    Credentials: DEGREE IN ENGLISH LITERATURE
    /end

    Well, that certainly proves that he knows all about global warming.

    Actually caring about things and not just doing whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

    I don't expect any more from anyone else than I expect from myself. I don't even know what you're talking about, to be honest... if your interests are directly responsible for destroying the environment then yes, you should give them up. Not just for me, but for EVERYONE. Yes, it pisses me off when people are so unapologetically selfish, but it also makes logical sense to make sacrifices so we can all have a better future. I don't know how you can even argue that preserving the planet so that we can, I dunno, LIVE is a bad idea.

    If someone is just sitting back wallowing in their ignorance because of the way it makes them feel, then I would call that selfish.
     
  19. Meliai

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    unfettered capitalism is working so well in China, as illustrated by Shanghai's recent smog index

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...s-plane-cancellations-pollution-warnings.html

    who needs clean air and drinking water when the economy is strong, right? :rolleyes:
     
  20. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Well, it's funny how all these international environmental laws don't apply to China, while our government allows all our jobs to be sent over there so these companies can pollute unimpeded. It just shows you that that nobody in government really cares about the environment, but they use environmental issues when it is favorable for them.
     
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