Why we shouldn't care about the environment

That doesn't mean that global warming is a hoax.

 

Well, back in the 1960s, the Club of Rome published a report stating that in order to move the world toward accepting global governance, there would need to be a global problem to which a global "solution" could be offered. They determined that the environment would be their best bet when getting people to accept the loss of national sovereignty to international laws and treaties which have since become a reality. The next step is a global carbon tax, and eventually every motor vehicle will be equipped with a tracking device where drivers will be forced to pay a carbon tax for how much they drive. It seems like the government's answer to combating global warming -- whether it is man-made or not -- is with more bureaucracy, which isn't going to help the environment when you have countries like China and the western-based companies that are there spewing tons of shit into the atmosphere.

Obviously there are BIG problems with the environment when it comes to pollution, deforestation, overfishing, etc. I am just not sold on man-made global warming in light of what I know, especially when I see some of the people who are most heavily promoting it, and the agenda they represent.

 

So, he's a journalist. You tell me who's the scientist you first heard about global warming from.

I'm pretty sure you were scouring peer reviewed journals about the topic ever since it came out of the lab, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with the New York Times, or anything.

Ironically, you've just confirmed George Carlin's routine before you so handily dismissed what he said with a strawman. Not that I would expect you to get what he was saying at this point.

No, the reason why people of your ilk are so attached to this global warming wet dream is because you have an unfulfilled authoritarian streak, and you can claim what's good for you is good for everyone.

And whatever busybody foolishness you believe in is the cry of reason and selflessness. Wasting your time with me, dear.

 

Why do people try to argue that we shouldn't take care of the very same environment that allows us to live?

taking care of the environment is good for everyone.

its not some big complicated political debate to me. It just seems like it should be common sense.

 

I think we should be more mindful of natural resources, and make a conscious effort to more sustainable and less wasteful. But I agree with Rat here, I don't think we can actually cause serious harm to the environment. At least in the sense of global warming.

 

It's true. If big Multi national corporations want to chop down every tree on this planet, dump all theirwaste in all oceans this planet has, and pollute the air, my sorting my rubbish is not going to change much about that.

 

You sound like a rabbi with a shroud over his head, rocking back and forth and beating the back of his hand on a very bad book, speaking in some unintelligible language which, nevertheless, confirms all your little inherited prejudices about being part of the chosen people in the upcoming Apocalypse.

Enjoy your holier-than-thouness.

 

How so, do I Sound like that? I am really geniuinly interested.

 

Be nice if all that were true, but its not.

Many new species appear all the time, its the nature of variation

From the formation of the earth, when it first cooled, formation of amino acids onwards there have been many extinction level events, not just meteor strikes, or dinosaurs dropping dead cos they were too big. The first single cell creatures would have formed and wiped out hundreds of times, 1000s of times again through all the earths changes for all the types of life well before the dinosaurs.

The most accelerated extinction events would have occured on earth when life was first forming.

There would be more organic life on the earth now than there has ever been

 

Because he projects stuff on people that confront him with his guilt (so it seems to me).

 

By "he" you men me?

 

just because natural extinction occurs doesn't mean humans haven't hunted some animals to extinction. Just because warming and cooling occurs in natural phases doesn't mean human's haven't accelerated the process since the industrial revolution.

 

Yes, I heard about it in the media.

The thing about the media is that it's made up of people with different backgrounds, different motives, and different qualifications.

So when I looked into it more by using Google and checking the sources, I realized that denialism in all of its forms is objectively a propaganda campaign by big business, and that the percentage of scientists who disagree with manmade global warming is so small that it's basically irrelevant.

You on the other hand have already made up your mind and prefer to listen to shills and people with zero qualifications or who have been bought by the oil companies, because they make you feel good about yourself. And then you throw out all of the typical 'you hate muh freedum' bullshit in order to avoid facing the reality that you have been duped, and that your gargantuan intellect has failed you. This is assuming that you're not also a paid shill.

Here's a list of scientists who believe in global warming:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_climate_scientists

Note that a lot of them are RUNNING departments at universities, have PhDs in meteorology, and have actually done field work. And yet you believe that a guy with an undergrad in English Literature (not even journalism) is somehow a more credible source of information.

I can't believe you're not laughing out loud at the irony of trusting someone who is literally an expert in FICTION to tell you the truth.

Did your 'journalist' friend tell you that?
Did he start his investigation into my obviously open-book life with the words 'once upon a time'?

 

That doesn't mean that global warming is a hoax.

 

If we need to compare the world today to a rocky desert with acid pools all over the landscape in order to prove how great we have it, that's not really encouraging.

Regardless, we are in the middle of an extinction event:

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html

 

It seems like too much effort goes into arguing whether it's real or not instead of figuring out practical ways to prevent it from happening/getting worse.

I am skeptical that the climate change is man made, but that is no reason to shit where you eat. There seems to be no middle ground with people. It's either you believe a man made climate change or you want to pollute the shit out of shit

 

You asked a question about Cherea, I answered it. So no, I didn't mean you.

 

Indeed, the environment involves much more. And there have been many climate changes before humans were polluting entire habitats. Climate change is just one environmental issue and wether it is manmade or not it is happening. It is abused in politics but that doesn't make all restrictions and regulations bogus.

 

The problem is that as long as there's a shred of denial, denialists will run with it until people are okay with the actions that are making it worse instead of better... because hey, you don't know for sure if this is causing any harm.

Most of the people who believe in global warming SHOULD be making an effort... but the thing is that the denialists are a big part of the problem.

This is hardly even a problem compared to widespread droughts, starvation, disastrous storms and an overall massive reduction of the human, animal and plant population. If you actually want to do something about it then that's definitely a good thing... but I don't know why you think that respected scientists would need to reach a compromise with liars and shills for the oil companies.

Actually, a lot of people in the field believe that denialists have won-- not because they've proven themselves right, but because they've created enough confusion and cast enough doubts on everything that nobody is particularly motivated to do anything about it.

 

This. My problem with global warming denialists is they seem to use their beliefs to justify continuing to pollute the fuck out of the environment. That way of life is not sustainable, even taking global warming out of the equation.