Why.?

We have heard the phrese "history repeats itself" many times, and I think it applies well to this example. I think we are looking at something other than a pre-written script, which implies a level of exactitude in the execution of actions which I'm not really seeing. Prophecies tend to be vague for a reason, namely because they are predictions or perhaps, more to the point, observations of cyclical patterns which have been operating in human civilization since it's inception (and perhaps even before that). These patterns can be found over and over in the mythical heritage of most cultures. There are vast differences between the stories and changes in how they are interpereted, but they are basically all informed by those same continuing patterns. Civilizations rise, become decadent, and fall... that is the way of it. Seasons change, the earth becomes fertile, bears forth an abundance of fruit, becomes fallow and dies. We see these patterns everywhere. How many great cities in Eur-Asia became decadent and were susequently invaded by barbarian hordes? We see this story in particular repeated over and over, the fall of Babylon and the fall of Rome being the two most prominent examples.

To predict the fall of the United States' civilization (at least as we know it) isn't much of a stretch. The warning signs of our decadence are everywhere, if you just take the time to look. We might stave it off for a while, but unless we make truely radical changes in the way our society operates (not likely) it will happen. History will repeat itself and all the "prophets" will say "I told you so."

This isn't proof of a divine script so much as proof of archetypical forces which have influenced us since the dawn of our reckoning. Are these forces Gods or are they simply powerful patterns with a great deal of inertia to push them along? Does it really make a difference? The patterns can be altered, the forces at work redirected, but only temporarily, eventually the balance of the push-pull dialectic which exists between these forces (and which is indeed a force unto iteslf) will bring the cycle back around again with perhaps slight differences but still recognizable as the same archetypical pattern.

 

Proof is in the pudding. <wink>

 

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There is choice, but the choices are molded by emotions, feelings, thoughts, etc. that were created to mold the choices to guide them to further emotions, feelings, thoughts, etc. that will mold the next choice........

There is your own amusement as well. You do enjoy life, don't you?

Ahh, but the emotions flow freely within us and surface into the world to cause emotions to well up in others. I see nothing wrong or anti-human about reality. In fact, it seems to be pretty pro-love.

Chose because he felt that it was right to do. You know how if you are thinking clearly, you pick what you feel is Good? Is your decision molded by emotion and feeling in this case (in addition to the logical framework of ideas surrounding the decision).

Welp... <squirts tobacco juice into spittoon> <ding>

No it doesn't.

Ohh, you know, everything.

You have the emotional sensation of choice, which is all choice really is. Unless you somehow think your consciousness is seperate from reality in such a way that your choices are not based upon reality at all, but upon something unreal, like, I want to rent that damn video game R.Evil 4 but this jackass rented it and never returned it to my video store so I can't and I know its just a plot by God to keep me from playing the game and I am happy about it. Although, truly, as with everything else in reality, my little rant there was molded by the force that created me. <shoots out jedi lightnin from fingertips> <Jed spits out another squirt of tobacco juice> <ding, whiz, boom>

The portion of the script that we enact is written in our hearts and souls and pours out of us when and where it is designed to.

No more JokeS!

 

Kharakov

When you are thinking clearly...Emotion DOES NOT dominate ones thought.
Reason and emotion work hand in hand in BALLANCE to produce a correct decision.

For example...maybe christ did'nt FEEL it was the right thing to do.
Maybe he THOUGHT it it was.

Emotion makes us human..Reason will make us anything we want to be.

Occam

 

If my mind and heart are in disagreement, I follow my heart.

 

Emotion is the driving force behind the use of reason. We reason because we feel a certain way about something.

Reason is ruled by emotion.

 

How about solving algebra equations. I find it hard to get emotional about whether x times 61 is equal to y over 93.

 

Occam,

So there was a motivation for removing your pants? Why is it so hard to ascribe to our will that intelligible quality which is also suppossed to lie in matter?
Reason always follows emotion and can never be the cause of action. It is the comparisson of ideas. We can reason without acting, therefore there must be something other than reason that takes place when acting. Reason can direct action but is not the cause of it.

 

since thsi thread is aorund in circle a bit, im not gonna read it all but instead give my input:

why does it look liek its evolved if it was created?

well if god did indeed create the universe, even christians believe he did it in steps.



anyway, you know, if the laws of physics were refined to explain every phmonenom, then the laws of physics would BE god. if all of the laws of physics were calculated to the n'th degree, any instantaneous computing system (theoretical) would be able to determine any event at any point in time and space. this system would also provide the means to which everything in the universe occurs. just as a potter moulds his clay, god the physics engine moulded the universe piece by piece (so it looks like evolution). it probably took more than 7 days though


please note that i have not expressed my own view in this post, but merely input to the discussion thankyou
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