wicca or christian??plz help!!!

you are such a sweetie, thank you, I'd love to learn from you, you don't meet to many people who are as passionate about wicca as you are, it's refreshing.

 

=) but im not wiccan lol

Im an Animist, its a really really old mindset of paganism.

Not wiccan in the least. BUT i will explain that to you another time =)

Many blessing to you again.

Goodnight

 

oh sorry thought you said you were. anyways it's cool to find someone that passionate about spirituality, like you

 

Gardner isn't the creator of Wicca but he could reasonably be called the father of modern Wiccan practice. Gardner was introduced to a coven in the 1930s who claimed to have been multi-generational and existing since the Middle Ages. When England repealed the anti-craft laws in 1951 Gardner started his own coven under the theory that Wicca predated Christianity, which has been debunked time and time again.

 

....where are you getting this info? He was in a witches coven, but later founded Wicca. There is a difference between witcraft and Wicca.

 

OK, I understand your question, but you fail to see the point: You claim he "invented" Wicca but he claimed it was over 2000 years old.

 

He said it was based on the "old ways" which were over 2000 years old.

 

WOw, a 15 year old, making more valid points than a man 3 times his age.

WIcca is 50 years old, no more, its a newly founded religion, like Scientology.

It not ancient at all.

The only thing ancient about it are the religions that it stole from, like Quabbalah, Hinduism, etc.

Its mostly loosely based Enochian magic from the 1500's (somewhere in there)

Gardners coven was most likely an Enochian coven at best, nothing ancient about it.

 

I've been studying this stuff for a few years now. I like to make sure I have all the details and facts.

 

I'm just wondering.. if wicca is only 50 years old and that's it.. why does it fall under the pagan umbrella? Like.. it must be so closely related to the 'older paths' that it in the same religious 'genre' so to say. Is it purely 'new' because the combination they make, the 'rules' (or dogma's, if you like) are new or..?

Probably a weird question with a very obvious answer but I just woke up from a great nap and I'm not fully functioning yet..

 

put simply, anyone thats not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim is a Pagan.

 

ah ok, you're using the not-abrahamistic definition? Because according to that definition hinduism and buddhism etc would be 'pagan' too. I think a lot of people (including me) don't mean those religions/philosophies when we say 'pagan'.. we mean the more nature based, old heritage, non dogmatic stuff... you know what I mean?

 

Ignoring the whole "Wicca was invented" stuff (I happen to agree with it, but hey, whatever blows your hear back)

the question really is Christian or Pagan....

Christianity went through that kind of dilemma shortly after the death of its founder. Was it Judaism 2.0, or a different kind of faith altogether?

If you look at Christian churches in England, the old ones, the really old ones, you'll often find the Green Man somewhere in the stonework. Paganity being what it is, the locals really didn't see any incompatibilty or conflict between the two. They honored the Mother and Father and did the Maypole dances etc. and well, they'd also go to the Church as well. In fact in many small towns today the Maypole dances are done on the Village Green or church property.

You can put whatever kind of mask you want on God - it has to boil down to what you believe. Please do not limit yourself to an orthodoxy. If you believe Jesus sacrificed himself for you AND that there is a God and Goddess, that's what you believe and go to it.

 

Most people went to church as well, not because they followed the faith, but because the king said they had to be christian because he was. They were faking it.

To be either christian or pagan, as in truely believe one or the other, you cant combine them. Your christian beliefs would be sorely comprimised.

Sure you can combine whatever you want, but you are truely following that faith.

As far as buddhist being pagan, most indigenous (sp?) buddhist are pagan, in the animists category. Buddhists still have gods. The have whole pantheons. The local temple here has altars to several chinese gods. Yes they are pagan, as are the Hindu. If the Hindu arent pagan, than neither is wicca.

Wicca is loosely based on Hindu beliefs, Quaballah, and Enochian magick, none of which are "ancient european pagan" beliefs. Hindu, being hindu of course, Quaballah being Hebrew, and Enochian magic being a "discovered" system of "angel" magick. Its the most "occult" of the three. Its big on angel and demon lore.

 

I'd say I'm partly zenbuddhist partly pagan.. zenbuddhism is a more down to earth 'religion' that doesn't worship any supernatural gods.

 

Have you heard of Cao Dai? Christ + native religion.

Christianity encompasses a variety of faiths, from Baptists to Mormons.

 

Cao Dai is a cult in vietnam isnt it?

Catholocism allows more by way of mixing beliefs.

I said it somewhere on here before, but it allows animistic beliefs
to continue, due to the prayer to saints and spirits.

That is why voodoo mixes so well with it.

Modern Vietnamese still practice their animistic ways, prayers to ancestors,
spirit offerings, etc. But are still Catholic, or Buddist, but they do the same.

Christ isnt the one who said you can practice "magic"

If you worship Christ as god, the i guess practicing a natural religion
in addition is more doable, but to be Christian usually means you arent worhipping
Jesus, but are worshipping Yahweh, who stricty forbade it.

Catholics dont worship Yahweh as god, they worship Christ.

How many Baptists have you heard of practicing their native faith?
Or methodists?

Protestism just doesnt mix well, its too fundamental.

 

In addition, just because the Cao Dai claim that all gods are the same supreme, doesnt mean that Yahweh likes it.

All gods arent one, thats just a bad idea. Gods are individual, and shouldnt
be mixed and clumped together, so Cao Dai, to me at least, isnt a valid
example of mixing faith.

 

See, thats where we differ. I believe that all things are created by this one great god/spirit/energy. And all things are an incarnation of this energy. Such as the gods of all patheons, the various spirits, and even the human spirit. We are one, and one is all.

 

I believe all things were created by a Great Spirit as well, but the pantheonic gods, or cultural gods, were heroes and ancestors, that were elevated to a god status.

Spirits, animal, nature, human, whatever are all part of a greater, but are individual too, but part of a collective. Humans just removed ourselves from that connection.

I wrote on that as well in my journal.