Will we impeach him this time?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Sep 28, 2019.

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Wrong, Ukraine was not investigating Burisma the company Biden's son was on the board of. That was one reason the Ukrainian prosecutor was removed.
     
  2. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Trump would not have been the one to personally do that
     
  3. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Lutsenko doesnt even have a law degree
     
  4. MeAgain

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    Oh, so you know that?
     
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  5. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Trump has just been ordered to turn over his taxes. He lost. The Judge ruled against him. When all this is done, Trump is going to prison. The judge said no president, his family, or his business is above the law or immune from criminal prosecution! YIPPY!
     
  6. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Yes
     
  7. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Sounds like you didn't read the news this morning? Trump has been ordered to turn over his taxes in a CRIMINAL CASE!
     
  8. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Appeal was filed straight after
     
  9. stormountainman

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    How do you know?
     
  10. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Congress has no rights whatsoever. They stripped us of our votes and shredded the constitution, and they only reason they are impeaching Donald Duck is because he's a serious hazard to the wealthy. Why did he hide his calls? Because he was elected specifically against the wishes of his own party leaders to trash out congress, and cooperating with them voluntarily is something he will never do.
     
  11. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Congress writes the law, including presidential pardons, which Pence is sure to provide Donald Duck the minute he resigns. Technically, he could wait until his last day in office, resign, and be forgiven for everything. There simply is no substitute for an informed population that actually has something resembling morals, which the republican party doesn't have, and at least a third of our population supports everything the man has done.
     
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  12. Oh I don't know about that. Seems like we've had a few in my lifetime alone. But you're spot on about Giuliani, he's the genuine article. Body count? Dude, Clinton lost.
     
  13. srgreene

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    Well I admit I have not followed this closely, but what you are describing seems just blatantly (willfully??) wrong to me. Here is what thehill (Ref 1) has to say on the subject:

    "But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member."

    Where do you get your information from?

    That same article has this to say:

    "The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

    Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made 'specific plans' for the investigation that 'included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.'"

    Sounds sleazy as all get out to me- and quite possibly a criminal violation. At very least it is emblematic of the Swamp that so many of us who voted for Trump want to drain.

    I am going to go out on a limb here- and I could be wrong. But I think Trump haters (you included?) don't care about truth, and may not even care about politicians enriching their families. They just want to get Trump. Well for all his many faults, there are ways in which he is doing the job those of us who voted for him wanted him to do.


    Ref 1: Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived
     
  14. tumbling.dice

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    Where does it say that?
     
  15. tumbling.dice

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    Even if the Biden allegations have merit would this excuse potentially unethical activities from the Trump White House? Do the ends justify the means? Do there exist those who hate Democrats so badly that they will justify any and all behavior from Trump to 'get the Dems?'

    I'm trying to be careful here and approach this whole thing with a level head, and I will admit it's getting difficult for me. I don't have a whole lot of patience. I don't care for Biden. I don't care for Trump. I just want to know two things:

    1) Who, if anyone, broke the fucking goddamn law?
    2) What the fuck is the (increasingly partisan) goddamn public going to demand be done about it?

    I don't give a shit who's 'side' you're on. Grow a pair of nuts ffs. If your guy fucked up be an adult and own up to it.
     
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  16. wooleeheron

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    The electoral system was the only body count. You can't win a rigged election. Either Americans demand fair elections and the restoration of their constitution, or they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned, because Donald Duck is just the beginning. What the hell did you think would happen when they gerrymandered the vote and started gutting the constitution? I blame public education, for their complete failure to even teach a child how to share their words and play nice.
     
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  17. MeAgain

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    Thanks for the link. Date 04/01/19.

    Burisma was already under investigation when Viktor Shokin took office. With him the investigation stagnated, that's what I meant when I said he wasn't investigating it. Officially he was, unofficially he wasn't doing much.
    Shokin has maintained he was doing his job, as your article states, others disagree.
    Zlochevsky owned Burisma.
    All above quotes from Politfact
    I can list more sources if you wish.

    But let's assume you're right. Joe Biden stopped a legitimate investigation into his son.
    So what?
    That doesn't excuse what Trump did.

    Trump withheld tax payer arms to a country that needed them to defend itself from Putin in exchange for political dirt on his political opponent. They had to "play ball" with him to get protection for their country. Sounds like a protection racket to me.

    Why didn't he use leal means?
    Why not ask his own country to look into matters if he thought they were illegal?


    And I'll ask again....why are you so concerned about Joe Biden's son possibly using a public office to earn money but not not Trump or his children?
     
  18. MeAgain

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    In the Constitution. No crime need be committed for an impeachment. I posted the example of a judge that was impeached for being drunk a while back.
     
  19. tumbling.dice

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    Which article of the Constitution? And being drunk on the job, depending on how you got there, can be considered illegal.
     
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