Will we impeach him this time?

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  1. Oh dear me, being drunk at your dumb fucking halfwit job that is completely beneath you is illegal. Whatever shall we do.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Now read the interpretation of that section, note that "Officials have been impeached and removed for drunkenness, biased decision-making, or inducing parties to enter financial transactions, none of which is specifically criminal.[1]." Note that :Two articles of impeachment against Andrew Johnson were for....rude speech.
     
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  3. Article 1: Stop taking things so fucking seriously. If the judge gets drunk, fucking go to bed and try again the next day. If he's still drunk, accept your bullshit fate and hope for the best.
     
  4. tumbling.dice

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    I read all that, and I find it incredibly vague. All politicians engage in that kind of thing to one degree or another. And as much as I'd love to get rid of all the assholes someone has got to be there.

    The stuff about Andrew Johnson is not exactly accurate either. There was disagreement between Johnson and congress over reconstruction. It was purely political.
     
  5. And we obey the law, no matter how contrary to the actual human condition it fucking is. Be a good little boy. That's the whole of the law. And it's utter bullshit.

    If you want to get drunk, I say, get drunk. The world can wait four hours til you fucking sober up.
     
  6. Even though, the thing is, you're probably more sensible drunk.
     
  7. But no, we have a strict regimen to maintain. No time for common fucking sense.
     
  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It is vague to a certain degree, it's that way so that Congress can cope with a wide variety of cases. If only specific reasons for impeachment are given, then impeachment is limited. Impeachment is meant as a last ditch fail safe to remove someone the Congress deems unfit, to stop a tyrant or an idiot. Sometimes both.

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    In Andrew Johnson's case there were two instances of "rude" speech cited:

    PROCEEDINGS OF THE SENATE
    SITTING FOR
    THE TRIAL OF ANDREW JOHNSON
    PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    On Articles of Impeachment exhibited by the
    House of Representatives
    ARTICLE X.
    ...Andrew Johnson as the Chief Magistrate of the United States, did, on the 18th day of August, in the year of our Lord 1866, and on divers other days and times, as well before as afterward, make and declare, with a loud voice certain intemperate, inflammatory, and scandalous harangues, and therein utter loud threats and bitter menaces, as well against Congress as the laws of the United States duly enacted thereby, amid the cries, jeers and laughter of the multitudes then assembled in hearing,...
    Specification First.
    In this, that at Washington, in the District of Columbia, in the Executive Mansion, to a committee of citizens who called upon the President of the United States, speaking of and concerning the Congress of the United States, heretofore, to wit: On the 18th day of August, in the year of our Lord, 1866, in a loud voice, declare in substance and effect, among other things, that is to say:
    "So far as the Executive Department of the government is concerned,..... "We have witnessed in one department of the government every endeavor to prevent the restoration of peace, harmony and union. We have seen hanging upon the verge of the government, as it were, a body called or which assumes to be the Congress of the United States, while in fact it is a Congress of only part of the States. We have seen this Congress pretend to be for the Union, when its every step and act tended to perpetuate disunion and make a disruption of States inevitable....

    Specification Second.
    In this, that at Cleveland, in the State of Ohio, heretofore to wit: On the third day of September, in the year of our Lord, 1866, before a public assemblage of citizens and others, said Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, speaking of and concerning the Congress of the United States, did, in a loud voice, declare in substance and effect, among other things, that is to say:
    “I will tell you what I did do? I called upon your Congress that is trying to break up the Government."

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    You seem to not understand that impeachment and removal from office is purely political. Sometimes unilateral, sometimes bipartisan.
     
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    Trump supporters aren't even trying to hide it anymore

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    And that's a lot of Trump's appeal. He lets people give free reign to their worst instincts and be proud of it! Those "ladies" don't need to wear the T-shirts. The message is written all over their country club faces.
     
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    Don't you mean Johnson? But good point!
     
  12. srgreene

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    If Trump in fact did as you say, then I would agree it was an abuse of power. I don't know that it would have been illegal, but certainly not the kind of leadership the USA should have. But in fact, according to the available transcript, there was not quid pro quo. Trump haters claim it was implied, but I don't think their inference is enough to hang Trump. I see that as more evidence of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    I also am not aware of Trump or his children using their offices to enrich themselves. Yes, there is a potential built in conflict of interest with Trump's business, but I don't know that Trump or family have done anything to exploit that. I don't think it is reasonable to have expected Trump to divest himself of his business in order to serve as POTUS, but he certainly needs to distance himself from the operation, and my understanding is he did. Feel welcome to convince me I am wrong.

    I certainly would be very uncomfortable to see Trump or his family making money out of Trump's presidency, at least while he is in office. Nonetheless, I will make this distinction between Trump and Biden. Biden is symptomatic of the sleaze that infests Washington. If Hillary had been elected, it would have been more just business as usual. Trump is an aberration- he's not truly a Republican, he is certainly no conservative, even hough he has pretty well taken the reigns of the Republican Party (in the past, Trump has made noises about running as a Democrat). Republican leadership is very uneasy with Trump- as are many of Trump's supporters. Trump will have no legacy among Republicans, although he has brought some people into the Republican fold, at least temporarily.

    Democrats, on the other hand, are just fine with the Bidens, with getting rich from "public service" (e.g. Maine Waters and her husband), with Bill Clinton getting half a million dollars for speech (sorry, that is not compensation for a speech- that is a bribe). That is a significant difference.
     
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  13. Please tell me you don't actually think this is real.
     
  14. srgreene

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    Quite right, Orison. As if Hunter had any qualification for his lucrative board gig other than being Joe Biden's son. This is what many of us so resent about the Swamp, and I think Trump is trying to drain it. Good luck.
     
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  15. srgreene

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    Trump Derangement Syndrome!
     
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    Photoshop is kind of obvious
     
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  17. Trump Derangement Syndrome is when you think Trump is a noble and decent man, is it not?
     
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    I don't really understand how you can be so concerned about

    I can only think of one Republican congressman who has spoken out against him. Most dont seem particularly easy with him and seem very content to bend over backwards defending him.

    I'm not sure if you are speaking of Democrat politicians or Democrats in general, but there's a whole progressive wing of the Democratic party who are against typical corporate Democrats like Joe Biden and the Clinton's (not that they're relevant anymore). And there are a few in Congress even.
     
  19. It is kind of weird. If Trump had chosen to infiltrate the democrats instead, I guarantee you he'd have a party war on his hands. Instead, he chose the party of taking a dive and turning the other cheek. Republicans LOVE avoiding conflict to the point of being doormats.
     
  20. srgreene

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    I don't know what you mean by saying "Most dont seem particularly easy with him". You are simply not speaking the truth when you say "Most ... seem very content to bend over backwards defending him." Where do you come up with such disinformation? Support is tepid among many Republicans in the House, but I admit, they have not been aggressive about challenging him directly.

    Joe Biden is not relevant anymore? WHAT? He is a a top tier candidate to be the nominee. Who are these "progressive wing" you speak of? Airheads like AOC and hateful anti-Semites like Tlaib? As someone who cherishes what this nation has stood for at its best., it is very concerning to me that they seem to be the future of the Democrat Party. If they can, they will destroy this nation.
     
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