Will we impeach him this time?

The creeps I know are just regular people. Nothing creepier than doing the wrong thing and being sure you're right.

 

When Obama was elected, I remember a certain person from the bluegrass state saying “my only job is to break you” and a racist congressman shouting you lie during Obama’s inauguration speech. And yet you wonder why Obama didn’t accomplish more. At least 60% of the US would much rather have Obama in the White House now. He is everything Trump isn’t....smart respectful compassionate, unselfish, hardworking, able to read, able to listen, and really concerned about the welfare of all US citizens, not just the wealthy or bullies.

 

Actually no, I don't wonder why. Obama's entire show was a scam for greenbacks and dubious "social" projects (that seemed to benefit donors and cronies). It was all a lie.

 

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So is this posting of yours!

 

Does anyone really think that a President Pence would be better than President Trump? Just beat Trump in the next election (if you're able) and be happy.

 

I totally forgot about another kind of creep I remember from the late 60s and early 70s. I clearly remember guys who used to hang around just about any time Mom had a day off. Most brought food, and Dad was a dead beat (yet another kind of creep) so I tolerated their crap. What I recall though was how often they were meeting to go to an anti war protest. My uncles were drafted, so I was absolutely against the war, so I tolerated more of their crap.

Then I found out they were only going to the protests, to meet chicks. They had each beat the draft one way or another, one on college, one with bad knees etc. So I began to tolerate less and less of their bullshit and harassed my mother, with the help of her only paying roommate until she booted them out (the food was getting sucky anyway).

 

At least the first "whistleblower" was active in Democrat politics:

Ukraine whistleblower previously worked with unnamed 2020 Democratic candidate

Doesn't mean he or she was wrong, but does bring the motive into question.

In a different vein, Hunter Biden admits his lucrative board memberships in Chinese and Ukraine companies showed "poor judgement", even though it was legal (probably true- but I think worth investigating how Dad may have had a conflict of interest.

The children of politicians do pose a problem- the parents may not directly benefit, but they clearly have an interest in their children's "opportunities". I'm not sure what the answer is- but I am not aware of Trump's children having similar issues (aren't they rich enough?).

 

What if Turkey decides not to knuckle under to Pence during his "visit"? What if instead, they toss him into an Istanbul prison? He IS an avowed Christian after all. And Erdogan, is not.

Really though, it's all a scam. Look at the punitive steel tariffs Trump is putting on Turkey. However, don't bother to notice that steel production is less than 1% of Turkey's GDP.

 

No. Pence would be terrible lol.
But to me it's the principle of the matter. If they dont impeach then it sets a precedent for future presidents.
Although Democrats waited too long to be principled in my opinion. Mueller outlined clear obstruction of justice, they should have went for it then.

 

If I had to guess, the CIA has a special indoctrination class for lawyers, and Obama's creepiness comes from his mama, who specialized in economic anthropology and was about as close to a lawyer as you'll find anywhere. We had the CIA try to recruit a guy from our fucking commune, just because the CIA is so enormous and might as well cover the entire yellow pages, but most of them are nothing but fucking lawyers and drones in polyester suits. The Pentagon is where the heavy shit goes down.

Bush's CIA connections were no doubt tailor made for him. The CIA loves Texas, because they're just as insane.

Obama calls himself a pragmatist, and its pretty obvious he was never his mother, and thrived and survived as a lawyer by covering his own ass more often. Donald Duck would have been wise to take a few lessons from the man.

 

At the rate the shit is hitting the fan, the speaker may have to take control of the government. If Donald Duck and Giuliani swing together, all hell will break loose, and the rats are already abandoning ship so fast they're a blur, while The Duck shows no sign of sanity. Its now or never baby, and things are getting way too interesting.

 

I'm all for principles, but we need to remember that this isn't a boxing match, it is a game of chess. With so many voters supporting Trump impeachment is risky, imo.

 

Civil war isn't risky, when the man has already destroyed our economy, congress, the judicial system, and international politics.

 

The United States military would squash a civil war in a couple of days. It's not going to happen. We'd have martial law first.

 

No he did not. Just another example of the unfettered animus of the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd.

In fact, according to the American Bar Association (1), Mueller left that issue unresolved:

<<As far as obstruction, the Mueller report laid out facts on both sides but did not reach a conclusion. Barr’s letter said that “the Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”>>

Even vox (2), no friend of Trump's, notes:

"MUELLER: The finding indicates that the president was not exonerated for the act he allegedly committed."


That is a fair ways from "clear obstruction". You might be able to make a case of obstruction of justice- but it is far from clear that it would hold up in a court where impartiality, and recognition of precedent, held sway. Not exactly what would prevail in a charge make by those who say "we're gonna impeach the m-f."


I certainly understand there are good reasons to dislike Donald Trump as a person and as a President. He often makes himself an inviting target. But I find the utter unfairness and bias with which he is judged to be repugnant- worthy of Trump at his worst. Trump's critics are often guilty of as loose an "interpretation" of the facts as is Trump himself.

1. Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

2. Mueller says Trump wasn’t exonerated from obstruction of justice

 

The facts are the man has put us a trillion dollars in debt, encouraged genocide, committed treason inviting other countries to interfere in our elections, trashed the Pentagon's budget, refused to cooperate with either the judicial department or congress whenever possible, and the majority of Americans have disapproved of his performance since day one. The man is so flaming insane he even used magic markers on broadcast television in an attempt to prove the weathermen were wrong about where a hurricane would hit the US. He is the biggest embarrassment to the US government in at least half a century, with psychologists around the world attempting to diagnose him, and the entire international community openly shunning the man, while his die-hard supporters insist he can do no wrong, as he incites civil war and revolution. He will either leave office voluntarily, be carried off by the men in white coats, or become the first commander-in-chief to be killed by his own troops. I say we should bring back public hangings, for treason, just to be sure Libertarians get the message.

The one good thing he has done in office, is to divide the republican party, getting elected against the wishes of his own party leaders, and inspiring even Fox News to turn against their own conservative president. It should be interesting to see how long the US lasts without two functional political parties. United We Stand, Divided We Fall, right into the gutter in his case. Libertarians are going to love the Pentagon's new drones. No more Waco, they just fly through the window and blow up in your face. The ones with guns, can shoot you right through the walls and have bullets that follow you around the corner. Special Forces try to get in and out in minutes, and these drones could kill everyone at Waco holding a weapon in about 30 seconds, because they actually know how to share their words on the radio and play nice together. I'm sure the US government, will give your women and children nice homes in a walled in ghetto, after the IRS gets through with them.

The future of Libertarian Paradise is so bright, they need a proctologist just to see the light.

 

Possibly after the facts come out there will be fewer supporting him. this morning's Gallup Poll show that 52% of Americans favor both his impeachment and removal. Compare that with his average approval ratings (Realclear Politics averages of polls), which have been remarkably stable over his presidency--40-44%, currently 43.6% approval of Trump, 50-56%, currently 53.4%, disapprove. Some 85-88% of likely Reuplican voters still like him. My guess is impeachment won't change that much, although it might galvanize sentiment on both sides.

 

Impeachment has already divided the conservative rank and file, and the Libertarian party is rapidly acquiring new opposition from within the republican party. Donald Duck was elected against the wishes of his own party leaders, who are coming out of the closet to support his impeachment. A political party without any leadership is a fucking lynch mob, and there will be no mercy. Even Fox News isn't stupid enough to support complete losers who don't know how to bow out gracefully.

If you think less than 40% of the country is going to keep him in office or get anyone elected anytime soon, take another guess. They are inciting civil fucking war, and nobody will forget their bullshit anytime soon. The Libertarian party has just painted a fucking target on their backs for all of congress, the IRS, and Homeland Security to investigate. The may be dumb, but they ain't stupid assholes.

 

It depends on regional distribution. The electoral college is all about that, and gives rural yokel minorities a disproportionate say in presidential politics.

This is a little confusing. There is a Libertarian Party that ran Gary Johnson as their presidential candidate in 2016 and lost. Johnson ("Where is Aleppo?") is an affable guy, very mellow, although not very well-informed on international politics. You seem to have your own idiosyncratic definition of Libertarian that somehow is an umbrella term for right wingers, especially those in the Republican Party. These are more accurately characterized as Nativists and right wing Populists. Trump doesn't give a rats ass about Liberty, except as it means his freedom to do whatever the hell he wants.