Will we impeach him this time?

No, it is not. "Abuse of power" is a vague concept, not even, I think, a legal term. You need to come up with a statutory violation.

Trump committed no crime by asking Ukraine's president to complete an investigation. Wise to do? Probably not, but your attacks on Trump are entirely bogus.

 

I think the house will impeach him, and it will go nowhere in the senate exposing a prominent partisan rift between democrats, republicans, and their respective constituencies. It's sad, but not surprising; or at least it will be when all is said and done. But the optics are shit for president Trump, and his supporters don't look very bright pining away for America to be great with him at the helm.

 

The aid in question was appropriated by Congress to help Ukraine in its defense against Russian invaders. Threatening to withhold it unless Ukraine engaged in dirt digging against the President's political opponent is the very essence of extortion. BTW, it's not clear that the "misdemeanors" mentioned in Art II, sec. 4 require an indictable offense. Republican Gerald Ford took the position that it meant whatever could command a majority of the House of Representatives to support. And obstruction is an impeachable offense. See Nixon and Clinton cases. If they were obstructive, Trump has been also, to the tenth power!

 

It's not on his Twitter but I wish this was real.

 

In the process, though, a lot of the dirt will come out in time for the election. Then it's up to the voters to decide whether or not that will matter to them. I think it will depend on: (1) the state of the economy; and (2) who the Democrats pick as presidential candidate.

 

Trump asked for the Ukraine's help into an inquiry on a political opponent. Not an ordinary US citizen, a political opponent. And offered a taxpayer funded financial reward for said inquiry. I'm not misrepresenting anything. It's a clear violation of campaign finance laws.

This thread is about Trump. I've made many criticisms of Biden in the 2020 election thread. But this thread isnt about Biden. If you want to discuss Biden start a thread on it, otherwise it looks like you're just trying to deflect attention away from Trump when you bring it up in this thread.

 

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation

 

A clear majority has disapproved of Donald Duck since shortly after he was elected, and the idea he has any chance of winning anything remotely like a fair election is absurd at this point. He is dividing the entire country so badly people are ready to start shooting each other. Our votes are rigged, our mass media is rigged, and our government could not be more corrupt, and the idiots are fighting over whether Donald Duck should be in office. Fuck em, they will either impeach the bastard and prevent a civil war, or not.

I for one will not participate in a war that only benefits the wealthy, and an election system that is the joke of the world. Give me back my vote and constitution, or else go to hell. Start talking like fucking adults about something other than how many senators can dance on the head of a pin.

 

Yeah, if only Obama tweeted like Trump

 

These days, you can find such things in a fortune cookie. Without real votes and a constitution, all you've got left is entertainment. I work on the mathematics to take it to the next level. The academics and Pentagon want to control fake news, but you cannot attack what you cannot comprehend. They don't even know what fake is, but I will show them. The self-evident truth speaks louder than words and my people have been systematically trashing out corrupt politicians, academics, and cultures for 12,000 years. Our Oneness Poetry is the oldest surviving artform and science today, and still thriving around the globe. It require 5,000 years to perfect the I-Ching, but the Tao Te Ching was much faster, and the computers are powerful enough to start spitting them out by the thousands, because we are going down that rabbit hole as fast as we can.

You never have to worry about being late to this party, until the pies start hitting you in the face.

 

Ugh, its always this kind of stuff with you guys, oh he doesnt have to have comitted a crime to be impeached, and now oh, intent is a consideration, he doesnt have to have committed a crime.

The only way he is going to get impeached is if his own party turns on him, in which case Reps still probably end up winning the next election and you get Pence or maybe Pompeo as Pres anyway

 

I can't find it in the darn constitution (was looking earlier) but I think there is something about abuse of power in there. It was on the news recently. He can be impeached, and it wouldn't be for no reason at all. He's offending the sensibilities of a whole shit ton of Americans. He's in violation of campaign finance law too.

he has this attitude like he's doing whatever he wants and getting away with it. I don't care for it and neither do the republicans. He isn't doing himself any favors.

He won't be convicted in the Senate but the House is sure putting up a fight about it.

 

There is a very good chance he will be impeached, given that the House Of Representative is controlled by Democrats. The chance of conviction, however, is slim considering the Senate is controlled by the Republicans.

Are you a student of the US political system? Because your knowledge of our constitution is about what I would expect from someone who went through the
American school system.

 

Whether he's convicted in the Senate doesn't matter. The justice department and NSA will be all over his ass for the next year, and make it almost impossible for anyone to work for the man. He demands people commit illegal acts for him, and he will drag the republican party down just by getting them all thrown in jail, refusing to work for him, and continuing to be shunned by the entire international community and over half the US. The longer he stays in office, the longer the public's memory will be of just how badly the republican party let them down.

This is two absolute losers in a row, who have both destroyed our economy and what little sense of dignity we had. The country could not be more divided, and the majority will not forget. The democrats will push for stronger whistleblower laws, as the only way left to even prevent republicans from eating each other alive. Donald Duck doesn't deserve to face his accusers, he deserves to be held accountable like the rest of us mere mortals.

 

I'm no lawyer, but I very much doubt your claim that it is a "clear violation of campaign finance laws". Might make an interesting court case. Here you have POTUS, acting, apparently, in concert with the AG, asking a foreign leader for "a favor". Yes, it concerns a political opponent, but I think POTUS is well within his legal rights to do that. You would have to present a far stronger case than your say so to convince me that it is a "clear violation of campaign finance laws". POTUS has broad authority to conduct diplomacy.

As for bringing Biden into this, I am quite suspicious of the motives of those attacking Trump. Those most keenly interested in charging Trump with impeachable offenses seem to me curiously uninterested in the Obama administration's using intel agencies, based on bogus information planted by DNC, to investigate Trump. I don't see a "high crime or misdemeanor" here, and I think Democrats are simply trying to keep the fire burning- but I get a strong whiff of hypocrisy, which only increases my suspicions.

My sense of Trump has never been that he is well-suited to serve as POTUS. I think he was much preferable to the major alternative in 2016. Let the American people, using our constitutional right to elect our leaders, decide whether or not another four years of a decidedly unorthodox leader is warranted.

 

Could you document the quid pro quo here? I have not seen that, and I did quickly read the transcript.

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to here, but I am guessing you mean putting the information about Trumps conversation with Zelensky (sp ?) on a different government system than is normal- viz. a classified server. If so, your claim is completely spurious to the point of absurdity. POTUS has wide authority to classify information- in fact, he or she is the ultimate arbiter. Again, assuming I am correct about your meaning here, this is simply another example of the silly partisanship on the part of those attacking Trump.

 

I can't predict the future when it comes to impeachment and removal from office. The House might impeach him and the Senate might refuse to remove him. The important two things are (1) the American people will know all the details, including all of Trump's fake rewrites of Mueller's report and call transcripts. After all, people have figured out he doctored all the reports and kept original documents in a safe. (2) From a criminal justice perspective, I don't think Pence is going to be a new president, because most Trump coconspirators will be in federal prison with him. There is a strong likelihood the Rackteering and Corrupt Organizations law will be invoked here in this deal.

 

Why are you asking her? You should ask Adam Schiff or wait until he reports his findings.