Women are losing again...

Oh, Lord. Feminism does NOT "blame men" for "their problems." That is such misunderstanding way of thinking. Again, there isn't enough history in your knowlege base to understand this. I'm too tired right now to give yet an other lesson, which those who need to learn the most don't want to hear.

*sigh*

 

Is it just me or does the Women's Issue forum start to go to the crapper every time the adolescent boys show up? I can respect anyone who actually is coming here to discuss and learn, but I am really getting tired of these guys coming here to sniff out anything that seems remotely feminist so they can disagree with it - usually without knowing what the hell they are talking about.

And to get us back to the first post, thank you Libertine for not being one of those guys!

 

YES IT DOES. Libertine made a great post. I am about to SERIOUSLY prune this thread, back to posts which only apply to the original post. Skip has done it, and encourages us to. Especialy when it takes the Original Thread way offf base.

Attacks on a strong female is expected from these types. I'm not intimidated, the attacks were classic Domestic Violence tactics, and they have NO place here.

About to prune. This is just for forum flow. I am sure there are a few who will have a problem with that. "OMG A GIRL GETS TO MAKE DECISIONS AND HAS SOME (admittedly limited) POWER, I'M GETTING PISSED OFF AND I'M GONNA PISS AND MOAN"

 

True. It is completely a society problem (not a women blaming men problem like 2 specific kids on this forum are trying to make it out to be). It is about the values and morals we nurture in our society, men and women both. We've talked in the beginning of the thread (before going off-topic) that it is important to nurture those values in our children so they respect others (regardless of gender), and find worth in themselves that is more than skin deep.


On the very first page of this thread (maybe some people should have read it before tearing into us for being femi-nazi's):

 

I love you, mang.

seriously, I couldn't agree more.... and I, along with every other self-respecting female, appreciate people like you.

Guys like you are rare lately. It's too bad.

 

thats awesome libertine!

another issue relating to that...a lot of girls at my school call EACHOTHER "bitch" "whore" "slut" etc...i mean if they call eachother those names, what do they expect? i wish these girls could see what they're letting happen...

 

I may have missed a few OT posts. Sorry, I eliminated any which were direct insults, or completely off topic.

EVERYONE (including me,) with a few exceptions (I don't think I had to delete ANY of Lib's) had stuff deleted.

The original intent of the thread was LOST.

Let's try to get it back on track.

 

I was born in the wagon of a travellin' show
My mama used to dance for the money they'd throw
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good

CHORUS
Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

Picked up a boy just south of Mobile
Gave him a ride, filled him with a hot meal
I was sixteen, he was twenty-one
Rode with us to Memphis
And papa woulda shot him if he knew what he'd done

CHORUS

I never had schoolin' but he taught me well
With his smooth southern style
Three months later I'm a gal in trouble
And I haven't seen him for a while, uh-huh
I haven't seen him for a while, uh-huh

She was born in the wagon of a travellin' show
Her mama had to dance for the money they'd throw
Grandpa'd do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good

 

This is a good point. Why don't you make a separate thread? You could call it "Girls with no self respect who play into the sexism and set themselves up for abuse" or something less wordy.

A good point, indeed.

 

i havent read this entire thread (too long) but i do think that in this day and age women are alot to blame for their own objection. not totally to blame of course but so many women ALLOW themselves to be objectified.......just look at any rap video on MTV. all these half naked women dirty dancing around these dumbass men who put them in the video only to display their "pimp-ness". the women that go on howard stern and get naked at the drop of a hat and allow the guys to judge their "hotness". and in hollywood its cute to be stupid. jessica simpson and paris hilton are two of the least talented and least intelligent people i've ever seen, yet they are bankin off their "i'm so stupid isnt it cute?" act. these type of women are setting us back. now i dont for a minute think that these type of women make up the majority.....i dont know any women like that and the ladies on this site seem the anitithesis of that......but i still think its signifigant.

 

can a lady be made an object if she gives her permission? Why is a pretty lady considered an object? It is one thing in rap videos, but i dont see how every pretty lady on tv is an object.

Why is a beautiful lady who uses her beauty an 'object,' but guys who do the same are not considered objects?

if the women in vic secrets on billboards are objects, are the dudes in calvin kleins not? They're wearing even less than the women!


Who decides that it is 'wrong' to use your beauty? Why is using your intelligence more highly prized? Who made this decision that it one is wrong and one is right? I think Britney spears might reject the notion that she is an object and say that is empowered. Are you right, or is she?

 

"blame the victim" is yet another sign of the oppression all around us... It is the oppression that creates these "victims", these women with little self-respect, who then perpetuate the negative stereotypes, just as the abusive father or husband sets his daughters and/or wife up to accept the abuse she suffers at his hands, and to be afraid to go against it, to think there is no alternative, no way out.

 

way to score some big points with the ladies lib!

 

SO, you are saying that men DO control everything. Thus, proving my, and Libertine's point.

Sheesh.

 

i guess you could take it that way.

 

am i the only person in the world who does not see a woman getting paid 10s of thousands of dollars(if not millions for some) to pose in bathing suits as exploitation and 'subtle oppression?'

 

It's both. There are some girls, in Playboy or Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, if I wasn't a pacifist, I'd like to shake um until their teeth rattled. They don't understand not just what they are doing to their own self esteem, but that of girls like my daughters. Yes, they are playing into the "Womyn are good for nothing but sex" thing.

Womyn ARE good for sex, but that's not the ONLY thing.

 

why does that say that 'women are only good for sex?' Atleast with respects to SI.

Thats like saying waitresses teach young girls that their role in life is to be beer wench.

I disagree.

 

I know I'm jumping in on ithis ( I don't know the original thread is about) AND I agree with MaggieSugar, but another points is the the ultimate victims of porn are children.

 

I too am annoyed by guys referring to thier girlfriends as 'thier bitch' or 'thier ho'.

As a high schooler I see it all the time, and sometimes I'm often tempted to slap some of these guys in the face, and whats worse is how many girls agree to be treated as trophy girls! It's sickening! Though there are many people, both girls and guys, who are against such practices as well.

I never spoke of any of my girlfriends in such a way, nor will I ever. Thay are not my property, they are the ones who I have chosen to give my heart and soul to, and the only times I reffer to them using the term 'my' is when I call them 'my dearly beloved' or simply 'my love'. Also, I could not stand being referred to as 'somones girl'. I AM NOT 'somone's girl'. I AM my own woman, a strong and independent, yet tender and emotional soul, and though I may give my deep love to somone, it does not degrade me to thier property, nor does it degrade them to being my property. We are EQUAL!