Women in Combat

^Would ask for a date.

Politely.

 

She is 65.

 

*shakes head*

I will not even bother with the other dumb crap you have posted.

 

Ahem, let's ignore the troll, shall we?
Ultimately, I believe in equality for all. If a woman wants to fight, she deserves as much right as a man. To exclude her is sexist.

 

Fighting for your country is not, and has never been, a right.

Women have no business in combat units.

 

If men can, then women must have equal opportunity.
I personally don't advocate for war or violence or killing people with different skin color for oil, but I do support women's rights and women having the right to do what they want with their lives and have all the same rights and opportunities as men.

 

You specifically said right. Now you're changing your tune.

War, and military service, opperates by a different set of rules because it isn't some game. We don't have time to cater to feminists with no understanding of what is involved or at stake when it comes to war. Women simply aren't suited for service in combat arms units.

 

Remember what the world used to be like before the women's rights movement? We had all kinds of artificial distinctions between men and women created by society. There was never a legitimate reason why a woman should always get paid less than a man for writing a business memo, or carrying a box from point A to B, or keeping financial records. Those made-up rules are mostly gone, except in a few Islamic societies. Mission accomplished.

Logic and common sense do not dictate that we must continue to push for equality in areas where significant physical, sexual differences come into play. You can't legislate biology. I don't support any laws that conflict with reality. There are important differences between men and women that will never be changed, whether we like it or not. And when you live in denial of reality, there are always consequences to be suffered.

 

I quite agree, you can't legislate biology.

But are you saying women biologically don't have the responsibility or right to CHOOSE to go into combat? That's what this is about. In fact, everyone choses, we have a volunteer military with very little chance of a draft for any reason.

 

Only time will tell if this lasts. History says no. I hope you're right.

For this question, I'll refer you to Sig's last post. I strongly believe that the final judgment call needs to be made by people who have spent significant time on a battlefield under fire, and thoroughly understand all the practical issues that are only theoretical to most of us.

If you and I were the parents of somebody in the Army (male or female), we wouldn't want this decision to be made based on popular political trends. We would want our kid to have the best possible chance of survival.

Bringing women into the business world was so much easier and safer. When you work in an office like I do, what's the worst that can happen if somebody hires the wrong kind of person for a job? Even if the whole company goes out of business, nobody dies because of it.

I don't think the business world and the military are nearly as much alike as some people seem to think they are. I've never heard anyone who has ever been shot at many times say that it was just another job.

 

Nope....

I'd want my kid to be able to CHOOSE.

I don't want anyone forced into the military. I don't like the size of our military, I think that military should be called up, from all the people able, in times of true need. We have not had one of those since WWII.

If my kid was joining a volunteer military, I would not want that decision made in a political way, which is how the US military works. The nations with modern efficient advanced militaries, like israel and germany, DO have females in combat roles, and I don't think they even get to choose.

Male or female, if I had a kid joining the army I would want them to have the dignity and respect afforded them that they could make their own informed decision, assuming they could meet the physical requirements. Obviously if someone is too small or weak, male or female, they should be sent somewhere that won't hamper their abilities. I would be outraged at some political "brass" deciding that on the basis of gender, they COULD NOT EVEN MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICE.

So yeah..... I think that in a modern context, in real war females would be fighting, and them NOT fighting shows that we're playing games with our "wars". In ANY case, real or fake fighting, not letting them CHOOSE to fight would not be (and was not) excusable.

 

This post shows a basic ignorance of how our military (along with world militaries) operate. No one chooses how they serve in the US armed forces beyond what branch they choose to serve in and, perhaps, a job field. For example, in the Marines, if I wanted to enlist as a tank crewman and nothing else I'd be outta luck. They simply can't promise that. The needs of the Corps trump all. I'd ultimately go where I am needed.

As for the German and Israeli militaries, women are still barred from serving in many combat arms units. The so called female infantry battalion in the IDF is not a front line battalion; those are still closed to women.

In the end, games are not being played with our wars. They are being fought with centuries of real world military wisdom; wisdom that has shown time and time again that women do not belong in combat arms units. The games enter when people,.like yourself, start thinking the military is where social experiments should be performed regardless of whether or not the answer is already known

 

what really is the difference between women in the armed forces on the front line and women serving on the sharp end with the police?

There are several reasons why so many more women are joining and governments wrestle with their collective consciences about sending them to the front. One is because women are being more pro-active today than ever before, the other reason is because today's males have many more opportunities than ever before with career choices and with most western military forces being voluntary now, they don't see a military career as being an option for them.

 

That a society is even discussing the possibility of blowing women to bits in wars shows how morally bankrupt it has become. When I see parachutes in the sky over my state, then WE ALL fight, including women. Until then, I'm ashamed of the possibility of women in foxholes taking fire. War is a mans game.

 

Women do have a place in the military, just as they have always done. I'm just against sending them into front line combat. I guess its the same reason my sister left the Police service.

 

It's now official, women are now approved for all combat roles in the US Army. The decision was announced yesterday. The next step will be requiring all young women to register for the draft.