Women think (and act) with their penis alot more than men actually.

I see it as one and the same. The thread addresses women who make poor choices. I am addressing men who make poor choices.

 

It really is just about someone that is bitter because they have recently been hurt. On the other hand.....a hot guy definitely makes my genitals think.

 

you're free to cock slap me with your woman penis if you like.

 

I agree fully.

 

Thats the latest load of shit! Research physiology. wtf are you on?

 

Not to be cynical..and though exagerrated those are the dominant traits moderatively attractive women will secretely yearn for, to seperate the boys from the men, so to speak. Especially in [competitive] western culture. Of course the less saught after women have more grounded undertandings and expectations when it comes to what's needed in a good man.. but for now it's time to bitch @ the whole female race and desperately try to hang on to my standards. I'm not saying it's all of you, but all of you are too shy to let your personality out anyways so how would I know??


And as much as women may claim they don't respond to these things, it's the ugly truth and biologically proven. It is the skeletal foundation for how we've been fucking each other for the past 2,000 years. Sadly, if the man isn't dominant and doing the seducing, it's very likely they relationship is never going to blossom. 'Cuz women just wait around to be hit on. No fairy tale 'it-was-meant-to-be bullshit here.

I feel you though... a change of pace is neccessary. This topic may be exchausted already. :sifone:

 

I'd like to pitch in and say I think it's how someone is brought up that can affect their personality and how they create their 'filters' on who is good enough to get intimate with.

In some cases, I think this also shapes up how a person will perceive who is even worthy enough for to be their friend even. (regardless of gender).

I think women experience this with passive-aggressive competition and way of communicating non-verbally.

On the other hand men tend to express competition amongst each other along the lines of physical feets, and who they get get in bed with them. (also a physical act I should point out; they aren't mutually exclusive)

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But yeah I've seen bad, carnal, and destructive behavior from both genders. And I also know people who act that way for a little while, but simply because they're going through something, and then they grow out of it.

Honestly, for the most part, we only judge someone's character with a snapshot of interaction with them.

 

i think most women are pretty capable of being alright friends but as soon as you start anything intimate with them they dash about a million miles away from anything that resembles a stable relationship. american girls just don't like nice guys. kindness seems to do nothing for me but repel women.

what was said about raising your standards does seem to be true, but it doesn't really excuse the fact that someone can meet 10 shitty women in a row and then meet 1 cool girl and she lives half way across the country. if someone isn't really actually emotionally interested in you then tbh i don't see the point in investing time and energy into them. that is really just bad for your soul. maybe if you just want to fuck them a few times and then leave them that that's fine. but don't get attached to bitches.

 

When it goes to the extent that my entire character is defamed, and overlooked, then it fawking is. At some point we've become social and cognitive-thinking creatures. It would have been nice if women got this memo as well, but it appears still not the case. I don't think a lot of y'all can see it from the man/hunter's perspective. It works for some... is a wacky system for the majority of mature souls, imo.

*Attractive chics can afford to pick and select, follow their horny biologicial needs and pick out a dominant man.

The less attractive ones actually have to look for, or invite in, a nicer guy WITH confidence.

I think my posts make sense, you just don't want to read them.

I agree with desos, it's CRAZY that attention and love repels. It's ass-backwards men have no choice but to play this tug-of-war crap because it is the basis for how you girls communicate, and I would love to see someone lie further about that.

It's limiting enough most people want someone as hot or hotter than them - that I understand and as a man I do it too... but women continue to complicate this even further.

He has to approach you right. He can't appear to be too into you rolleyes. Contradicted because at other times, he must be confident and direct ('cuz god knows you're incapable of taking any lead, & saying what you want without being turned off).
And when and if he does these things wrong he's a creep rolleyes: ).

When did tits give one so much social power. If we could all reverse the roles for a week, women on the whole (who have NO game mind you, and we never put you down for it), would be crying in their bedrooms.

Lucky for girls, I've never heard of a man turning down a girl for personality *flaws* such as "nice, easy to get along with, cooperative, friendly." Women somehow interpreted these things to "needy, no challenge, passive and lack of confidence, not a man" -- what the fudge bitch? Do you WANT to make things difficult just because it's more exciting? Grow up.

:sunny: That's how you start a morning.

 

i believe this to be so true.

but i'd wager it's even worse than that for us men.

because being nice makes you needy

but if you're unattractive - being confident (what women 'want' us to be)

it makes you a fucking creep.

you have to be moronically confident to get the cream of the crop

whilst being damn right beautiful.

but not too beautiful - because if you look after yourself to much you're a homo

and being too rugged - well

haven't us boys heard of a thing called a shower???? :love:

 

^ I see your point. In regards to the last paragraph though, I should point out that at least 3 guys I know, have started a relationship with a girl, but it fell apart within a month, in some cases a few weeks, after personality flaws made themselves known. So I think personality flaws DO matter, it's just how the breakup occurs manifests itself differently.


From what I've seen, I think guys are willing to sample the relationship for a short period of time, and if it goes sour they turn it into a quick screw, and then dump.

But I've noticed that girls tend to shut some guys out from the get go without a trial period a lot of the time. From the female perspective I've noticed first impressions seem to hold more weight than when men judge women. (keep in note this might also be skewed because I think men still do most of the approaching, and a significant number of women don't want to do the approaching)

 

Cross-gender dialog is near impossible. I`m lucky to just have finished a great conversation with a female friend of mine. But, she`s also a swinger, bisexual, and polyamorous, and all kinds of shit that average girls couldn`t wrap their minds around.

I am lucky to count her as a friend since childhood, and our friendship has been reignited since I moved back to Brazil.

And she agrees with US. The guys. Women are stupid, she says. And she`s right.

Aside from diamonds in the rough such as her, there`s no dialog possible. Better suffer privately.

I seriously only met one ATTRACTIVE woman who played NO games, all the while I knew her. And she happens to be my ex-wife. Too bad she was vanilla.

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Edit: Another myth that needs to be busted is that women communicate better. Bullshit! Unless you consider 'hints' communication, men are much more communicative than women on average. Women will trash any budding relationship rather than say what she feels and what she wants unambiguously.

And, of course, they do not call back! Because they supposedly communicate well!

When she says she`ll call, it means "call me." When you get a voice mail, that means NO! in womanese.

Not that anything has happened between the time she was all excited about the idea of going out and the time you called. She`s just changed her mind. And, you`ll never know why. Assuming there`s a why at all.

 

Women, communicate in a more subtle manner, and yes sometimes what is said verbally DOES contradict what they really are trying to communicate to you.

I've found that most guys, who can pick up on the language women use to communicate to each other (the non-verbal eye glances, inside meanings among women wearing this or that, and the power games women play with each other by being guyX's arm candy), are the guys who grew up with sisters and just have experience reading women.

---On the flipside, guys do contradict themselves as well.
For example, I've experienced guys telling someone to call them back for a job interview and THEY COMPLETELY drop the ball on getting back with you. Sames goes for meeting up with friends sometimes.

 

This is such a beautiful example of woman-hating banter.

Carry on with your nonsense and see how it helps you ever understand a woman or attract a woman who could understand you.

It sounds a hell of a lot like you attract and want chaos yourself, you're just unwilling to admit that.

Have fun.

 

Good point about how women are not superior in communicating. I am trying to be direct because I am so unfulfilled to drop hints. It feels manipulative. For me, I am challenged to find clarity in my head, be articulate, and say it nicely. Especially in situations when I am annoyed. Trying to calm down, not over react, and just keep us talking.

On the other hand.....it's not all men that I do that with. Some are just for sex, because I am very driven by lust.

 

Crikey. Objectification and lust are not enlightened. Male and female creative principle, are. Minds join, bodies only touch.

 

Kokujin - you want to liberate yourself from this crazy, paradoxical mess? Stop measuring yourself by this Alpha male/female system. Don't participate in it - AT ALL. It's obviously a source of great and needless frustration to you, and who could you blame you? There's no justice in it. NO MERIT or useful purpose for the way things are. And I think you MUST know by now that even if you WIN the game, YOU LOSE.

Somewhere, within you, there's this notion of how things ought to be. There's an ideal that you measure reality against and the reality always comes up short, it always will. It's this notion, this "ideal", that makes people miserable, frustrated and angry - this goes for the haves and the have-nots (applies to love, money, respect, sex, attention, power - all the selfish and ultimately destructive aspects of humankind). Most people are never completely or permanently satisfied with what they have, no matter how much they have - it's a sickness that permeates everything we do as a species and it manifests itself in weird and inexplicable ways.

Maybe, to some extent, you envy these Alphas - well I'm here to tell you that I've known many "Alphas" in my life and they are the most neurotic, miserable fucking people on the planet. THEY ARE chronically unhappy living under the constant fear of losing what they mistakenly think they've got.

You don't have to play the game under the rules that you perceive. And if ANYONE tries to lure you into that game, drop them, treat them like they don't exist. Someone, along the line will either recognize what you're doing and why, or they'll ask you why, and then you tell them "I don't play by those fucked up rules". You don't need someone else to be a whole and happy person. That's a bullshit farce and it's part of the reason all this shit is messed up. Romantic love, whatever that is, however you define it, is a nice bonus - but it's not the apex of life. There are other worthy pursuits in life.

 

:iamwithstupid:Not surprising that even a woman (with more experience than us all, mind you) - would agree. *****/5 post.

LOL what? THAT'S NOT COMMUNICATION. End of fucking story, really.

So you try to communicate with clarity and directness with most guys, but not the ones that are in potential sexual relationships with you? Doesn't that completely destroy the point?

(Am I to assume females believe speaking 'womaneese' is attractive or works)?

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jammgrassphan, you're right. It is a source of frustation, and I'm also glad you mentioned the alpha male/female system.

But just because things 'ought to be' a certain way doesn't mean they become that way. Proof, a lot of good guys who can't play the game still single. And a lot of assholes with too many women to pick from. I personally don't want to settle, and would love to find an attractive girl I can be myself around... but I can't tell you how long I've been holding my breathe for just that. :juggle:

That's all I got for now. I'll keep an open mind and interact positively upon my next outings, but you know how it is...

 

Here's the thing about people who play games...if you allow it, if you don't call them out on it they're more than likely going to keep doing it. Who taught you how to date? Most people stumble with it and don't know what the hell they're doing.

Men and women alike. I don't think you're finding what you're looking for because people in general are fucked up and it's just not easy. You can go ahead and look at that couple with the asshole man and the attractive woman and assume you're missing out...but maybe that woman is as much as of an asshole as the man and maybe they deserve each other...or maybe she just needed to understand what she doesn't want first and therefore attached to a man who would show her just that.

Also, maybe you're not as nice as you think you are. Maybe the women you're going for are not looking for a serious relationship, maybe you're coming on too strong and they don't trust you...maybe they're just absolutely not going to appreciate you because they don't understand you.

This doesn't mean they are stupid and only thinking with their penis just because they didn't choose you. Maybe you don't realize how much you're thinking with your penis by constantly emphasizing "attractive" women and women who you view as victims at best or ignorant at the worst and who you for some reason still envision yourself with, though they obviously have serious flaws leading them to the kinds of relationships you detest. What makes you decide these women in particular are "attractive" I would bet it's your penis...and perhaps that could have something to do with your lack of success.

Another thing I get so tired of is when women go out on a limb to validate a man's view of women's flaws as if to prove a generalization is to get a brownie point in the book of men's desires for women. If they agree with you then they are a good woman...if they don't... you get to pick on them, right?

Let's marginalize everyone into tight little boxes why don't we?

Then I can say...I'm a good woman I don't play games, but all these other broads...
And you can say...I'm a good man I treat women with respect, but all they want are men to demean them.
And we can all feel justified and superior in our ability to bitch and moan together.

 

I think in the end, just got to accept the possibility that you might be single/asexual all your life. And, rest easy that, contrary to what the mob says, the problem might be with the mob, not with you.

I`m finding out for the first time that I masturbate badly. Yes! All masturbation isn`t made equal! And great masturbation is giving me more independence from the douchebag women all around me.

That way I don`t have to allow women to use sex as a bargaining chip, nor allow them to cry on my shoulder when their trophy boyfriends cheat, nor put up with their mixed messages.