World-Shattering Experiences

wow

 

I know you dislike what Krsna has to say, but, this is whay he says, in a similar manner. What you performed with stopping the flow of water, is very much like what self-mastered saints perform, only what they do is typicaly applied to one act that takes years of practice to master to the point of acting on command.

 

... i am satan.

 

I am full of shit about telling you your full of shit? If not please tell me exactly what i am full of shit about.

 

Even satan (who I dont personally believe in) is supposed to have come from god. So, Love ya anyway bro

 

Everything is god, god is everything. Faith based Religion is bullshit.

 

Reality is subjective, perception differs amongst us, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have my belief in Lord Krsna, and I attempt to share love with people, even those who do not accept me for who I am and try to shit all over my opinion. But I would never, EVER, call someones belief bullshit. That, my friend, is action, in the mode of ignorance and self gratification. Sort of like how people make fun of fat people, to feel better about their own short comings Love you man

 

i find that if i discuss MY beliefs people aren't so quick to judge...its when i quote other's beliefs as my own that trouble comes.

i too have studdied krishna...but also jesus, osho, hafiz, rumi, buddha and many other great people.....some of what they say deeply resonates with me and that may or may not affect MY oppinion...but in the end its still MY oppinion. i think people would harrass you less if you shared what YOU believe...not just what krishna taught you...krishna has a great way of wording things...but i'm more interested in how YOU express your beliefs---not just repeating krishna.

 

you are something else...

religion is bull shit... hear say, distorted and confused...

i dont make fun of fat people but i know for a fact that there is something wrong with who they are as a person - they are fat and un-attractive for a very good reason - and that is their own fault. i dont make fun of them but i do not think very highly of them either. - i feel sorry for them. i think in most cases people make fun of fat people because they dont know how to say - 'something is wrong with you, why dont you get healthy, before you make us all sick!' ... so i will say it for them.

come on --- not everyones beliefs are good. and if someones beliefs are unhealthy for themselves and others then you should do your best to enlighten them. - to say, oh just go on and be yourselves and believe whatever you want and i will still be there for you loving you - is crazy... have some compassion - some empathy... wake them up from their pathetic existence... and love them at the same time.

not to say that your beliefs are pathetic. i dont think this way. but i have read a few of your posts and for the most part you make no sence at all. just a bunch of -wow aint life worth loving... bla .bla bla... then a bunch of nonsense that someone else said in a time when we all talked very different. get with the times and learn to speak to the people of today in a way they will understand.

of course - love is the key - at the center of it all,,, but there is so much more to life then hugs and kisses.

it seems to me like you are to soon to be considering yourself to be who you think you are - i dont think you are where you think you are in life... a little naive. although i do like most of what you have to say - i just dont think your message is clear enough understood in your own head to be communicated to others as you are so desperately trying.

if you truly believed in what you say you believe, you would want everyone in the world right there believing it with you. that is why it is better to find your own way and help others find there own way, then it is to recruit others to a dying religion that even you dont fully understand.

 

Your judgement of someone you know nothing about astounds me! How can you possibly say that I am naive? You dont know anything that has happened in my life, and simply because you do not understand what I say on this messge board, does not mean that I am the one who is confused and lost. I have been homeless from the age of 15, I recently helped give birth to a son whom I now raise by myself due to certain unfortunate events that befell his mother, I was in jail during some of her pregnant progression by fault of someone else who is now facing jail time himself for what he attempted to put on me, i have travelled farther than I could have ever imagined I would as a child, I go to work 6 days a week to provide for him and myself and still find myself hungry and poor becuase I dont have a proper education, I am going back to school to gain more education, and in my free time, when my son is asleep and after i have finished my daily chores at my OWN house which I already have a mortgage on at this young age, I choose to read the Bhagavad Gita, and to converse with my fellow cyber space buddies at night. How am I naive? How am I even wrong? IF you do not like my beliefs, then feel free to critisize them, but if YOU are the one who is judging ME, then I must tell you (even though I DO NOT like to judge other people) that you are the one who is sad and mistaken. So what if there is more to life than love, if love is at the core of all acceptance, then that is all one needs to recognize in order to acheive enlightenment. Because, enlightenment in istelf is the acceptance of life for what it is, and the self mastery of the mind. I feel deeply sorry for you that you have seem to have so much dissapoinment in someone like me, who has found bliss and harmony and in no way needs the guidance of a judmental 30 year old.
Just typing this post to defend my Self has gone against the very foundation of my accepting nature, and this is the last time I defend myself. From now on, consider your posts that critisize me for who I am ignored. I highly value every other viewpoint and perspective you have on all matters, but when it is a matter of my life that is being broken down, I have no interest. I get enough BS in my daily life and I do not need any more. If you dont like my philosphy, dont read it.

 

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Im assuming (though you cant spell assume without ass lol) that by the peace sign in your title that you have accepted me for who I am though I am different in belief from you, and that this discussion can be over, and we can get back on topic and live harmoniously as human beings?
I hope so my friend
Peace and love to you and to 3xi and to all,
you friend John

 

sorry my first post was a typo but of course i love & accept you for who you are.... like 3xi i'd love for you to realize your own inner guru.

wow...3xi really pushed your buttons.....that kind of proves his point.

your surviving a trajic life & ability to get a mortgage is no sign of enlightenment. we create our own reality, and for some reason your higher self decided you needed a difficult life experience. i can relate....but we all have trajedy--and that cannot be used as a crutch or to validate your oppinions.

3xi makes good point about the fallacy of religion although his expression of it may be concidered....blunt.

obviously reading the holy texts gives you some light to cling onto--cause your life sounds rather dark. that is a good thing. but holy texts are just that....textbooks.....you create your reality. the text is not your salvation---you are. i think 3xi gets that and that's all he hopes you'll see.

a message to 3xi....you speak much truth....but your medicine is like alcohol on a raw wound...i dunno....remember that turning someone on to "the light" can seem blindingly painful...you have to give their eyes time to adjust...

 

Have you no realization that what [posts of mine you two have read is not all that I hold to be real? Do you honestly think that I do NOT think for myself? So what if I use a book for guidance, does that mean that I have no mind of my own? Seriously, BOTH of you are preaching to the wrong choir. And how does his pressing my buttons prove his point? His POINT is to judge me and hold himself in a higher regard. That, to me, is like how Christ claimed (according to the authors facade of a Bible) to be the only Son of God, and that we are mere sheep in order to praise Him for eternity.
And, correct me if Im wrong, but when did I claim that having a mortgage on a house at my age is an example of attaining enlightenment? I will be the first person to admit to myself and to others that I am not even close to enlightenment! I make so many mistakes constantly that I coudlnt even be considered a man of Divine Love, as much as I try my best to acheive the love and accpetance of my fellow humans.
For any of you to judge and critisize me, and say that I am a man who is lost and confused and wrong, only shows your own ignorance and insecurity. I come to these forums to spread the message of One Love and Universal Conciousness, acceptance of all good people, and I get shit on by you. Trust me, I expectt that in my life, but I do feel sorry for you if you feel that you need to 'help' me see the 'light'. Dont you realize that the LIGHT is subjective and different to everybody? When it all boils down to the core of the matter, ALL is founded on LOVE. And Krsna never once deters from that. Not only that, but His message does not discriminate against others, He even tells us to love uncoinditionaly people like you, who judge and and speak down to people like me.
Love and light
John

 

Ok I saw that you edited your post to say that you love and accept me for who I am, and I apologize if parts of my post above make you feel that I have anger at you. Believe me, I do not, I dont go preaching to love and accept all and then get angry at people lol. I have nothing but honest, equal love for you as I do everyone, and I hope we can learn to live in harmony, despite our spiritual differenaces

 

Krsna Bhakti - does acceptance mean that i should sit there and watch while someone blindly walks toward a cliff? should i not speak to this person to warn them of the certainty of death should they choose to continue walking in the same direction. - this is a far out metaphor , i do not mean to suggest that your spiritual practice is that harmful.
you imply that i should spare you my view of you because you have had a hard life and could use the break. the fact remains that i speak to you in hopes to help you better yourself. the more you know about how others view you the more you know yourself.

i realize you see me as judgmental - but i also realize that this is mostly because i am right.

i think you are a wonderful person - do not get me wrong. it is just that i think you are not a person who has found himself and love.

acceptance and love actually promote compassion and empathy. once you learn how to love you must show others how to as well. NOT- just accept them for being imperfect and leave them alone. you are abandoning us - tell us what you think of us - judge me so i may see myself through your eyes!


on that note - there seems to be a trend in the way people on this forum react to what i say. although i still feel the need to say the same thing, i feel that maybe a more sympathetic approach is better. i am learning as i go and i couldnt do it without hearing your 'judgment' of me. thank you!

 

you have just proven to me that you indeed are a wonderful and beautiful person, and you did not have to go to such lengths to help me realize a truth, but you did so anyway, without glorifying yourself. I sincerley want to thank you for getting your message across to me in this manner of politness and love, for now I can see where you are coming from! I realize that I dont know everything, and the only truth I know the be absolutley true is Love. But in all honesty, if you would like, I can provide you with a few threads Ive started and some posts that show that I am not abandoning you all, I do care and I do love, and these posts are not even about Krsna! Some of them mention some teachings, but I started an entire thread about helping people who are suicidal and/or depressed, which ended up turning into a thread where EVERYONE who posted in it was saying how much love they have for one another!
Seriosuly, you have just risen to a very high status of inspiration in my eyes, and while I will continue to focus my attention on the teaching of Krsna told in the Bhagavad Gita, trusty me, I will NEVER descriminate against those who dont accept me for who I am, and I will forever attain to learn how to love with the heart of a true saint. Thank you my brother, love to you and your whole family, I wish you nothing but the greatest health, success, and happiness and love in this life of yours. You are truly very wise! Your friend, John

 

oops... did we get off topic.
:leaving:

 

i didnt expect that!

thanx... PM me with those threads

 

That is something I have never realized probably because I have been so against the way the Church and people in generall Judge me and others, but it is undeniably true. However, I still don't think you should judge people to help them see themselves through your eyes but advise them and help them in a manner that will leave you both at an equal "level". Judgement only places one person's opinion at a higher value than the person who is being judged, so although there are certainly those who are more wise than ourselves we can still learn from anyone. We are all part of the same conciousness, of the same universe, I feel that judgement will not help people to gain an outsiders perspective of themselves, but only to bring them down to feeling inferior (for the most part). Although, if you explain it as you did and made it clear that you were helping them, not just judging them, it could work fine. I dont know, lately I've found myself overwhelmed by the insane number of possibilites and I find it more difficult to take a solid opinion.