Worst President of US

1. Exactly what is the destruction you are talking about, and HOW was it caused by Bush?

2. With the Democrat party having adequate numbers in both houses to pass anything they wish, how are the Republicans standing in the way?

3. How might Republicans offer any solutions if they are not allowed to be included in the solution process, other than asking that they support what ever the Democrats offer them as a solution?

4. Just how would you define a "civil right"?

5. There are many things I can't afford, including some medical procedures that might at some time be desired or needed, and that's life. I try to take responsibility for my person to the best of my ability as should everyone. My life, my decisions, your life, your decisions. Charity comes from the heart, not from the government.

6. Bailing out Wall Street?

 

The war in Iraq and an escalation in military spending.

An increase in terrorism due to neglect of the Geneva Convention, and using remote detention centers like Guantanamo to allow torture.

A massive transfer of wealth and power from the poor and middle class to the rich, not to mention the wealth of the country, which was ransacked by private interests, and I'm not just talking wall street, I'm talking natural resources.

A breakdown in environmental and consumer protection by gutting regulatory agencies, either by under staffing or stripping them of authority, forcing them to look the other way, and staffing them industry lobbyists who's interests are conflicting with the industry they're supposed to regulate.

What no one seems to appreciate is that the Bush administration did all these things, allowing corporations to become too powerful, so now they've got all this political momentum which the lame-ass democrats can't seem to redirect, like the Titanic.

It's difficult, if not impossible, for any president to make constructive changes like rolling back bush's tax cuts for the rich, or reducing military spending now that the military lobbyists are so powerful, and evidently the military is the only part of the economy that's succeeding right now.

It's been proven by economists that tax cuts for the rich do not go back into the economy. Social programs, like food stamps, put more money back into the economy than they take out, yet everyone wants to rail them because they're freeloaders, right? What about the asshole banksters on wall street who are getting huge bonuses for betting our retirements on a house of cards? They're much bigger freeloaders than anyone who's living in poverty.

Not any more, but I don't blame the republicans, the blue dog democrats are just as bad. This isn't a partisan issue, it's a class issue. It's the corporate powers that run the government, and the rest of us who are stuck dealing with it until we can mobilize our voting community to collectively vote those who don't represent our interests out of office. Too bad it takes so long, and we're stuck with such shitty choices. Not to mention the corporate puppet politicians pit us against each other while screwing all of us. There's plenty of pie to go around, if we can be less greedy.

The republican solution is the status quo of bush policy, which is what got us into this mess to begin with.

A need that, as a member of a civilized society, you can take for granted. We use tax funds to protect our country, and now our finance sector, why can't we protect the health of our citizens?

I'm not talking about subsidizing any medical procedures, just those which are necessary for basic health, and to prevent worse more expensive health care from being required down the line, which is what we end up paying for when the poor are stuck going to the emergency room as their only access to care. Medicare seems to work OK, and they don't pay for everything. The problem is with the insurance industry, the term "health care provider" being an oxymoron, because they make money by denying health care. My family's health insurance premiums has jumped like 30% in the past year, while my co-pay also increased. I guess they need more money to pay lobbyists. Take those parasites out of the equation and we'll save 30 cents on the dollar.

I'm not sure what you're asking, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, I can't help you. Obama hasn't done much to help the situation, but at least there have been some limits imposed and consumer protections put in place unheard of in the bush administration. I don't know what we can expect, with wall street insiders like Geithner, Summers, and Rubin running the show. Welcome to the bush concept of socialism, namely that of taking from the poor and giving to the rich, part II.

 

To sum up, the the 110th congress had a shit load of cloture votes, the 111th makes that number look like a joke, that's how you stall up congress, it's ridiculous when even simple votes need 60 votes to even be voted on! Or the great senator for Alabama who's holding up all Obama nominations until his state gets $3 billion in pork barrel spending, you know, that stuff he's spent the last year raging about government spending.

Also civil rights change over time, just like 150 years ago primary education wasn't seen as a right. Most countries, well basically every country aside from us considers health care a right now. Health care is literally destroying our economy, we spend far more then anyone else, cover fewer people, medical bankruptices is the leading cause of bankruptcies in this country, and people WITH health insurance often can't afford health care.

Fun graph!


Size of the circle represents doctor visits per year

 

George W Bush!! (With Obama not far behind)

 

Nixon

but why is Bill Clinton even on that list

 

Bill Clinton wasn't a particularly great president.

 

Some may argue Clinton laid the ground work for the decline of the middle class, because the Clinton administration was responsible for NAFTA, so it's not surprise he's on the list, but at least the economy was prosperous, and he left office with a budget surplus, which the bush administration rapidly squandered.

 

Woodrow Wilson

 

Wow the fact that so many voted Bush as the worst goes to show how few of you all know anything about American history

 

[/I think it has more to do with the average age of the person in this forum. Some people werent even alive for Johnson, nixon,ford, carter, reagan, -so if you grew up with G.W.B- that,s who you will rage against- - still a valid pick---
justa guess
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I admit- I wasnt around for Abe,(just missed him)> and I just saw him on the list

 

Obviously this poll is gonna be tilted toward recent presidents, how many here have even heard of the alien and sedition act? Still, W is a pretty good choice. The economy of hoover, the foreign policy of lbj, the ethics of nixon, all in one. Not to mention new orleans.

 

It comes down to how you interpret history, and what you think is important.

The Bush legacy has seen the biggest decline in the middle class in recent history, yet if you're among the wealthiest Americans, a corporate lobbyist, a wall street bankster, or a defense contractor, dubya might seem like the best president in history for giving you the keys to the city. Imagine if he'd successfully executed his agenda of privatizing social security, yikes.

 

I'll never forget when dubya "won" the election against Al Gore, I thought "how bad could this be?" If I'd only known...

...and yet if we could just repeal bush's tax cuts to the rich, that would go a long way toward eliminating the deficit bush created...

...then again, it's hard to take back the keys to the city once you give them away...

 

Gore was a jingoist in terms of foreign policy.

AND

He had Joe Lieberman as his running mate, (you remember, McCain's biggest nut-hugger).


Face it, we were fucked either way.

 

Who's your pick? Then we can have a discussion about history.

 

I already said Wilson


He allowed the takeover of America by the Federal Reserve.
Not many presidents exit office with PERSONAL regret:

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

- Woodrow Wilson 1919

 

Thanks for that one. Man hit it on the button.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw"]YouTube- The Obama Deception HQ Full length version

 

Was that before or after his stroke? If after one should ask who actually wrote that statement. Not that I totally disagree with the sentiment of the statement. But I don't find his terms in office to have been the most detrimental to our form of government or constitution.

Whereas the establishment of a Department of Homeland Security, a Patriot Act that allowed for the surveillance of individual citizens and the official sanction of torture seem more egregious to me. Not to mention a prememptive war without motivation, a slew of other executive orders, closed door sweet heart deals with energy corporations and the formation of the SPP that undermine our very democracy. And let's not forget his parting shot the 3 page 700 billion bailout of Wall St. with no strings attached.

 

I'm not defending Bush. He was no doubt horrible. Most of our civil liberties eroded away under his reign.

I'm just saying y'all need to look further back than the presidencies you've lived through in order to make this a more interesting thread. Granted, I haven't studied up on all 44 presidents and their actions and I don't expect the rest of you to either. But 95% of everybody gathering up in a thread raving about how Bush was the worst one is rather dull and redundant.