Would a global government and a New World Order be a bad thing?

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So your solution to the problem of corporations having too much power is to give corporations complete freedom of action with little or no regulatory constraint and vastly increasing their wealth through little or no taxation – and by this it is hoped that would make them less powerful? How would that work please?

 

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Also as has been pointed out to you many times the US has an ‘elected government’ so isn’t any failure with your government down to those that elected people into government? It seems to me that you sneer and blame ‘government’ for being ‘bad’ when the true problem is a dysfunctional political system that allows ‘bad’ representatives into power, it would seem then to me that the solution would be to try and fix the political system so elections get ‘good’ representatives into power.

If the system is ‘bad’, dysfunctional, it’s likely to be dysfunctional at a local or national level.

[edit] The problem to me and many others seems to be the adverse effect the influence and power that wealth has in the present political system of the US. The problem is that some right wingers seem hell bent on increasing the power and influence of wealth.

 

Regulations haven't worked; they just give incentives for corporations to Lobby our government. I for one, would prefer to have free market capitalism (where people can compete for my dollar; ) instead of every business being owned by government. But also, Business can only offer you a product- you don't have to buy it, or work for a company. (Like those employees who walked out on their bosses abuse.) Right now, the reason there is no body stopping corporations from draggin the country into war and debt, is because they have this Government Criminal Racket, to start wars, bail themselves out, etc. There is no checks and balances between this government-corporate relationship, and I believe that's why there's no checks and balances working in our Government (They're answering to higher authority.)

I believe local regulation, and lawsuits (for any type of damage to your property/body,) would be substantal to keep corporations from going over-board.


Companies are much more liable today. Say IE, I got some contaminated meat; I post a youtube video saying "Ugh! I ate from that chicken place, and got so ill." And this, "bad publicity," is the reason companies don't want to sell contaminated products. People have the control, because we support these places, or don't.

People should shop more conciously, looking into what goes into making the products they buy. Already, there's corrupt practices taking place WITH government help. Including cancer-causing chemicals on the shoreline of Detroit, were blowing into Canada. OF course, Nothing happened to the Company, they just said they'd move the Chemical "Somewhere else." Where was the EPA then? In my world, the liability would be greater than this, as locally, you're putting a lot of people in serious risk. Still, no regulations seem to have prevented this.

Also, Monsanto; a company Above the law. Due to Obama's passing of the "Monsanto Protection Act," No one can even sue Monsanto for getting cancer from GMO's! This is the best example of a company "Above the law."

We have no idea if it's in our food, or not. (As the US is one of the ONLY countries that don't require a label)

It causes golfball sized tumors after 4 months of exposer on rats.

It is totally safe from the mainstream media's wrath.

It get's/has gotten benefits from the FDA, and the government at large.

Finally, it's untouchable to Free Market consumers. This is the disasterous effects of corperations with unlimited power; I'd much prefer a Monsanto that could only offer me GMO's (I'd turn them down) But at least I'd know it was a GMO. Plus, I'd be able to sue for damages their product may have caused me. This is a good example to look at the contrast of the free market and government. I do believe the free market works better in these matters.

 

Government is inherently bad; It's this idea that we can force our will onto others, both at home, and abroad. Only sometimes though, is it the true will of the people. Mostly, it is the will of the elite, to boost their own profits.

You're getting it! That's why I said we should work towards no government, and each individual having equal power.

Well, that really goes both ways. Liberals/Democrats are just as much for the expansion of government. They just have a deny & deflect policy.

"No I don't. You Right wing gun-nuts blah blah blah."

But I truly believe Libertarianism is true freedom. It's not just freedom for one side either, if freedom for people who currently have none in the USA. Freedom and Independence are the 2 most important things to me. I want to see an end to all wars, especially the Unconstitutional war on drugs. My aspirations can't really be put clearly in left-right terms. I support the Constitution and very small/no government, bound thereby.

 

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Repeating the same thing over and over doesn’t address the many outstanding criticisms already levelled at it.

So your ideas seems to be to get rid of them – to repeat - So your idea seems to be to give corporations complete freedom of action with little or no regulatory constraint in the hope that this would make them less powerful? How would that work please?

We all know that BUT there never has been and never could be a ‘free market’ as has been explained to you are length, can you address the criticism?
We have been through the whole tort thing in the environment thread can you please address the criticisms raised there?

We all know that’s your viewpoint but we are pointing out you have presented no viable alternative that you can defend from criticism.

As explained many times - in a monetary based system power can pool within wealth and wealth can use that power and influence to promote its own interests over that of other groups

We know you are a right wing libertarian, but what also seems to be obvious so far is that you seem unable to defend your ideas from criticism.
Also like many other right wingers You throw out ‘freedom’ whenever challenged over anything - but as pointed out before the meaning of what ‘freedom’ means is open to interpretation.

Freedom from harm, freedom from exploitation, freedom from hardship, freedom from sickness.

There is also peoples freedom of choice this can change according to a person’s circumstance and in a monetary based system wealth can dictate those circumstances.

I mean if someone is born into power and wealth which gives them freedom from exploitation and hardship and another is born into poverty which opens them to exploitation and hardship, then there is in that society an inequality of freedom.

The society is benefiting one over the other and if the ones getting the greater benefit are few compared to the others then that society is benefiting the few and not the many?

 

You're not giving anymore power to the corporations, nor are you giving them a pass to do as they please. Your body, your property-belongs to you. No one is exempt or above the law, therefore laws like the "Monsanto protection act," would be invalid. Meaning, the biggest corporations who are currently dictating us, would be subject to failure like everyone else. No bailouts, no government benefits, the possibility of law suits/bad publicity etc. Corrupt Banks would've went under already. Consumers control the free markets, and therefore the companies. Government is trying to take our place and doing a terrible job at something as simple as having a stable currency.

I think it's a lie on top of a lie. America was a free market, which created our wealth. We aborted those principles, put faith in government, and made room for greater than imaginable corruption. Corporations running our government is where we are, and Liberals seem to deny that fact totally. (When it suites them)

I believe I have. Our government doesn't protect us from corruption, but sells out to the highest bidder. Look at the great power and influence Monsanto, Israel and other Lobbys hold, compared to the people. You're acting like everything that happens under government, could happen under corporations! Could you imagine such a thing? "WALMART Declares Gihad with Muslim Extremists! WALMART Decided to take away your Rights"

It's an invalid argument. Corporations use government force, if they did it on their own it would be incredibly illegitimate. So far, the EPA, FDA etc. work with companies who are part of the Military-Industrial Complex, because that's where the most money is made. In my world BP could've been sued out of existence for the property damage they caused, and that would give people incentives to not destroy the envoirment, rather than, just bribing the Government to get off your back.

Freedom from harm we have, it's the Second Amendment. Freedom from exploitation we also have because we have the ability to decide Freely what we'd like to do with our own bodies. People will never be free of hardships and sickness, but this shows me how reliant you Liberals actually are that you claim government is "protecting you" from the manditory occurences.

It's not the governments job, to tell me if I can take LSD. It is my own moral fabric that should make those decisions, not hypocritical politicians who get bribes from Drug companies and cartels to keep it illegal. We are being exploited, put into hardships and sickness, by our government.

This is how governmental society has always been. Free market Capitalism was considered "more moral" because wealth has at least opportunity to get around. You're suggesting we need Big Government guns pointed at these people, to steal some of their money and "give it to the poor." Only, logically this doesn't do anything, I mean the little guy has a short-term benefit of government help, but the wealthy will just raise prices/ hire less people due to the expenses of taxes, and long-term it's very damaging. This is why a silver dollar is worth 40$ today, due to government spending,printing, inflation etc. Liberals totally ignore all reality with anger and hatred toward anyone who happens to make something of themselves.


Right now both parties of a household have to have full time jobs, and they're still barely getting by. Prices have sky-rocketed in 40 years, and this is due to the Liberal spending of our politicians. Plus, war is the only thing this country has left, we currently have no manufactering or work. Liberals also ignore the fact that we drove businesses out of America with overtaxation, then, we blame them for moving overseas! The irony is absurd.

 

I have........ and the alternative is so good that my opponents "criticism" never went to the merits, only sidestepped the idea by moving the goal posts entirely.

Defense from criticism (while having some merit) is not a valid test for "viability", since all to often as seen out here the criticisms used had no basis beyond simply throwing rocks for the sake of throwing rocks.